Apostle Paul... a gay?
 

Was Paul a homosexual?

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Chri...-Paul-Gay.aspx

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I could not read it all...
It is stupid.

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Spong does not present a single shred of evidence for his twisted idea....

All he does is wrest the scripture to show his personal feelings..

There is an especially hot place in Hell for folks who pervert the Word like this.

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This guy uses circular reasoning. He assumes certain things as if the are already fact without proving them to be true then uses that fallacy as a springboard for his argument

Example

"Why, when Paul seemed to be so consumed with a passion he could not control, would he not take his own advice and alleviate that passion in marriage?"

He never verifies Paul "seemed to be so consumed with a passion he could not control". He assumes it. The word "seemed" too is highly subjective

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That article is one of the lamest things I've ever read. :rolleyes2 He didn't provide a shred of actual evidence from scripture or history; only the idea that one should read Paul's writings with that possibility in mind. Huh? One could read David's writings with the same possibility in mind and probably come up with all kinds of verses that could be skewed around the presupposition.

Newsflash: His approach is called proof texting [eisegesis]. The lack of dependence on scriptural evidence in that article makes it a waste of time for me. I'd rather expend brain energy on worthwhile ideas. Teachers, preachers and writers who employ these tactics lose credibility trying to impose their own ideas and pet agendas onto the text.

This article reminds me of two things:

1. People who can make a dirty joke out of ANYTHING.
2. Avoid foolish and unlearned questions. :shifty

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Nope.

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In his defense, he doesn't believe that Paul was a practicing homosexual.

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Avoid foolish and unlearned questions... so you want AFF shut down???

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I somewhat agree. He interprets like most legalists.

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Blech. It's a sorry piece of writing. I don't care what he thinks about Paul...:foottap

LOL!!!! :heeheehee Nope! I'm all for exploring new ideas, but at least PRETEND that you're trying to dig up scriptural evidence.


This is what got on my nerves--proof-texting drives me batty!

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Like most religious perverts, he wants desperately to show that God is not so much opposed to homosexuality. We even have those pseudo religious homosexual apologists on AFF from time to time.

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First he discredits the possibility of the cross being of any value...

The view of the cross as the sacrifice for the sins of the world is a barbarian idea based on primitive concepts of God and must be dismissed.

Why should it surprise anyone then when he concludes this?

All human beings bear God's image and must be respected for what each person is. Therefore, no external description of one's being, whether based on race, ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation, can properly be used as the basis for either rejection or discrimination.

From his "twelve points" in Wikipedia

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Hoover, please stick to the article.

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STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I did not read the stupid article. NOT interested.

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Steve, you're such a homophobe.

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Good decision. I wasted 5 minutes reading through it. Not an ounce of intelligence in it ANYwhere. :rolleyes2

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Well sure, but it helps to understand his bizarre assumption that Paul was homosexual if we know that he sees homosexuality as acceptable and the blood of Jesus as having no consequence on sin... I would then expect him to make such fabrications. He is a pervert.

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And glad about it. ONLY place for a homosexual in an Apostolic Church is in the altar getting delivered from his perversion.

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Exactly. It is relevant, because he is trying to twist scripture around his own preconceived ideas. His methodology for using scripture to his advantage shows that he is self-serving in his approach and his credibility is therefore nil on every other topic.

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Steve,

Straight people don't even get delivered from their perversion. They get married.

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Being attracted to the opposite sex isn't perversion; it's normal.

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That is your problem 'straight people' are not perverted. Homos are perverts.

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How do you tell someone that has SSA that he is a pervert over something that he didn't choose?

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I wouldn't use that word; however, I would use the word abnormal. If that's offensive, I'm sorry. It's still true. God created men and women to be attracted to the opposite sex; not the same sex.

People are born with the inclination to commit all kinds of sins; that doesn't validate the sin OR the inclination. I didn't choose to be born a sinner; does that make sin okay?

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Are they supposed to remain celibate? They didn't wake up one morning and say, think I'll be gay today.

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I'll rephrase. They don't get delivered from their lust. They get married.

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NOPE they need to be delivered. A homo in the closet is just that a homo in the closet. They need to acknowledge the sinfulness of their perversion and allow God to deliever them.

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I agree:thumbsup

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houston, we can go around this all day. Are people who enjoy stealing supposed to simply pay for their candy? They didn't wake up one morning and say, think I'll enjoy being a thief today.

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What do you do with I Corinthians 10:13? Throw it out? Scripture says that with temptation God makes a way of escape. That means there's a way out of homosexual temptation, too.

It also says that God is faithful, and that he won't suffer you to be tempted above that "ye are able"...and provides the way of escape "that ye may be able to bear it."

Doesn't that remove excuses?

I guess one answer for someone struggling with homosexual temptation would be: look around for the escape that God has provided instead of allowing temptation to define who you are. I find it interesting that homosexuals define themselves as such because of what tempts them. Is a man an adulterer simply because he is tempted to commit adultery? No--he is only an adulterer if he gives IN to the temptation. If he resists, he is still counted as faithful to his wife.

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Are you for real? Tell me your playing devils advocate and I'll tell you your a pro at it.

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Yes, remain celibate until they get married to someone of the opposite sex

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I didn't read the article. I think it's a stupid notion. Paul was obviously not gay.

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Why would they get married to the opposite sex? Yeah, that works real well when they fall back into it years later, breaking up their family.

Most probably couldn't "function" in a hetero relationship. It takes some amount of desire and attraction to be able to perform.

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Yes. So obvious that he didn't get married...

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There should be an especially hot place in hell for the folks who teach that people are saved without being baptized in Jesus Name.

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Paul is believed to have been a widower. Most believe Paul was trained under Gamaliel, a notable Jewish theologian and member of the Sanhedrin. Paul refers to the Sanhedrin as "brethren", indicating that he was a member of the group. To be a member of the Sanhedrin, a man had to be married. Paul refers to himself as being "unmarried" using the Greek term "agomos" and not "parthenos". It's my understanding that the term "agamos" was most commonly used for widow/widowers and divorcees.

Therefore, most commentators that I've studied believe that Paul was indeed married.

While I'm very patient and compassionate towards those struggling with homosexual proclivities, I do not believe there is any biblical evidence that Paul was gay.

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Really? You recommend this?

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Ha ha ha I cant even believe that this is even a discussion. lol