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Scott Hutchinson 02-08-2013 06:59 PM

Is Contemporary Worship Wrong ?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUeoqEbgY9I

RandyWayne 02-08-2013 08:27 PM

Re: Is Contemporary Worship Wrong ?
 
Of course it is.


Next!

deacon blues 02-08-2013 09:09 PM

Re: Is Contemporary Worship Wrong ?
 
Yes. It's from hell.

supertone 02-08-2013 10:57 PM

Re: Is Contemporary Worship Wrong ?
 
At what period was the worship for our Lord correct? I'm pretty sure that worship music has changed throughout the centuries and has always been contemporary in someones eyes.

RandyWayne 02-08-2013 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by supertone (Post 1222571)
At what period was the worship for our Lord correct? I'm pretty sure that worship music has changed throughout the centuries and has always been contemporary in someones eyes.

That's easy. During the 40's, 50's, and 60's, when the grand daddies of our current crop of pastors pastored. If THEIR music and worship style was good enough for the apostles, then it is surely good enough for us!

supertone 02-09-2013 03:30 AM

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LOL

Jermyn Davidson 02-09-2013 06:53 AM

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There will always be people misrepresenting what they do in church as "worship".

PastorTLArt 02-10-2013 08:30 PM

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That pastor is a whack job!!!

Cindy 02-10-2013 08:31 PM

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Good grief, and I mean that sincerely.

Bless his heart.

PastorTLArt 02-10-2013 09:43 PM

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:thumbsup
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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1222900)
Good grief, and I mean that sincerely.

Bless his heart.


CC1 02-10-2013 09:50 PM

Re: Is Contemporary Worship Wrong ?
 
The Bible is clear that Southern Gospel is the only authorized / approved worship music.

PastorTLArt 02-10-2013 10:06 PM

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:yourock
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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1222904)
The Bible is clear that Southern Gospel is the only authorized / approved worship music.


trialedbyfire 02-10-2013 10:35 PM

Re: Is Contemporary Worship Wrong ?
 
It's an insult to all the young musicians in the church who lay out on their face before God, fast, sacrifice their time, energy, and talent for God to inspire new worship songs through them. A total slap in the face. Then we wonder why young people leave these dead old dry churches... and yeup I'm talkin to the pentecostals...

Ferd 02-11-2013 08:17 AM

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hee hee. that genius is a proponet of music that was NEW and CUTTING EDGE when he was a kid.

geez.

RandyWayne 02-11-2013 08:45 AM

Re: Is Contemporary Worship Wrong ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1222560)
Yes. It's from hell.

"Frawm the very peet of hell it eez!" -Bert, Mary Poppins.

RandyWayne 02-11-2013 08:54 AM

Re: Is Contemporary Worship Wrong ?
 
Just watched it for the first time (well the first 2/3rds anyways -so I guess that means I am a fool to comment so early according to him).

Really? A "night club" atmosphere?

This guy is so far out that there really isn't any common ground to even begin to rebut anything he's said.

Ferd 02-11-2013 08:56 AM

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I just would like to point out this guy is BAPTIST.


(Oh and I really dont care what the baptists are doing)

RandyWayne 02-11-2013 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 1222947)
I just would like to point out this guy is BAPTIST.


(Oh and I really dont care what the baptists are doing)

I picked that up right away. I remember baptist and AG preachers and churches being generally harder on "modern" music that UPC churches I have been in over the years.

Ferd 02-11-2013 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1222948)
I picked that up right away. I remember baptist and AG preachers and churches being generally harder on "modern" music that UPC churches I have been in over the years.

hee hee... I know this will get me in hot water with a lot of my friends here, including you probably but honestly if they dont baptize right I really dont care what else they have wrong.

Aquila 02-11-2013 09:08 AM

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Worship comes in many forms. When it comes to music and worship I love the evolution of worship from the Aramaic hymns of Christ's day to more comteporary forms today.

Here is one of my favorite books about worship:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Worship-An...hip+Saddleback

Aquila 02-11-2013 09:10 AM

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I think it's important to note that "worship" need not be related to music. It can be a form of exaltation through prayer, meditation, reading, studying, witnessing, working, and mundane things like gardening, house keeping, and fishing.

navygoat1998 02-11-2013 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 1222951)
hee hee... I know this will get me in hot water with a lot of my friends here, including you probably but honestly if they dont baptize right I really dont care what else they have wrong.

Not with me Ferd, I know where you stand. You are a strict Water and Spirit guy. I respect that you don't waiver, but with that being said I think you are as wrong as all the little Apostolic girls going to a Jeremy Camp concert.:laffatu

followingJesus 02-11-2013 09:39 AM

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I do not like comtempory anything.

Ferd 02-11-2013 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by navygoat1998 (Post 1222970)
Not with me Ferd, I know where you stand. You are a strict Water and Spirit guy. I respect that you don't waiver, but with that being said I think you are as wrong as all the little Apostolic girls going to a Jeremy Camp concert.:laffatu

LOL! well said my navy friend!

(by the way, I have taught Purpose Driven Life in SS).

While i dont care when the wrong are more wrong, I have no issue using good material regardless of its source.

CC1 02-11-2013 09:39 AM

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I think somebody should get a burden for promoting Gospel Polka music. A very under utilized genre of music.

Ferd 02-11-2013 09:40 AM

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While I am all for worship in its many formes, I do NOT like "Jesus is my boyfriend" songs.

RandyWayne 02-11-2013 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1222978)
I think somebody should get a burden for promoting Gospel Polka music. A very under utilized genre of music.

Whoopie John is known to have come out with more than one deep spiritual tune.

http://image1.findagrave.com/photos/...6541950990.jpg

RandyWayne 02-11-2013 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 1222979)
While I am all for worship in its many formes, I do NOT like "Jesus is my boyfriend" songs.

Sounds like something Hannah Montana would have sung.

CC1 02-11-2013 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 1222979)
While I am all for worship in its many formes, I do NOT like "Jesus is my boyfriend" songs.

Yup. We sing one of those at church that I am a little uncomfortable with.

I have said some of those songs sound like they were written as love songs by a writer who then when he couldn't sell them as that decided to make them praise and worship songs with Jesus replacing the boyfriend / girlfriend.

Aquila 02-11-2013 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1222978)
I think somebody should get a burden for promoting Gospel Polka music. A very under utilized genre of music.

:lol

Aquila 02-11-2013 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 1222979)
While I am all for worship in its many formes, I do NOT like "Jesus is my boyfriend" songs.

Ah... there is a very long and beautiful history of what many call "mystical poetry" (a technical term not a New Age term) that expresses the love of God and the love of the believer in very erotic ways. We see elements of this dating as far back as the Song of Solomon.

In our Puritanical culture... it makes us a bit uncomfortable. But it was very powerful and beautiful to the ancients.

odooley6985 02-11-2013 12:40 PM

Re: Is Contemporary Worship Wrong ?
 
I dont care what you call it, if its found in the bible then its right. If not, its wrong. Contemporary or not.

RandyWayne 02-11-2013 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by odooley6985 (Post 1223033)
I dont care what you call it, if its found in the bible then its right. If not, its wrong. Contemporary or not.

There is not mention of my Hyundai Sonata or my Toshiba laptop in the bible, are they wrong (in a general sense)?

Cindy 02-11-2013 12:58 PM

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How old does a song have to be before it is considered a hymn?

Dordrecht 02-11-2013 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by trialedbyfire (Post 1222910)
It's an insult to all the young musicians in the church who lay out on their face before God, fast, sacrifice their time, energy, and talent for God to inspire new worship songs through them. A total slap in the face. Then we wonder why young people leave these dead old dry churches... and yeup I'm talkin to the pentecostals...

Ever heard about "avoiding the appearance of evil" ??

Cindy 02-11-2013 01:13 PM

Re: Is Contemporary Worship Wrong ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire (Post 1222910)
It's an insult to all the young musicians in the church who lay out on their face before God, fast, sacrifice their time, energy, and talent for God to inspire new worship songs through them. A total slap in the face. Then we wonder why young people leave these dead old dry churches... and yeup I'm talkin to the pentecostals...

:thumbsup

Michael Phelps 02-11-2013 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 1222516)

Sounds like he's just making excuses for having a small church. You know, anyone who has a large congregation is getting people because they have a "nightclub" atmosphere...........

Michael Phelps 02-11-2013 02:27 PM

Re: Is Contemporary Worship Wrong ?
 
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Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1223036)
Ever heard about "avoiding the appearance of evil" ??

Sacred music scholar Stephen Marini (2003) describes the ways in which Isaac Watts contributed to English hymnody.[2] Notably, Watts led the way in the inclusion in worship of "original songs of Christian experience"; that is, new poetry. The older tradition limited itself to the poetry of the Bible, notably the Psalms. This stemmed from the teachings of the 16th century Reformation leader John Calvin, who initiated the practice of creating verse translations of the Psalms in the vernacular for congregational singing.[3] Watts' introduction of extra-Biblical poetry opened up a new era of Protestant hymnody as other poets followed in his path.[4]

In his later years, Isaac Watts once complained about hymn singing in church: "To see the dull indifference, the negligent and thoughtless air that sits upon the faces of a whole assembly, while the psalm is upon their lips, might even tempt a charitable observer to suspect the fervency of their inward religion."


The stuff this pastor is saying about the modern day worship teams.....same stuff was said about Isaac Watts, and he's idolized by many......and, to be honest, I've felt the same way he felt about the rote and ritualism of our "sacred songs".

RandyWayne 02-11-2013 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1223035)
How old does a song have to be before it is considered a hymn?

As soon as you can say "my grand daddie sang this as a kid!", then and only then, is it considered a sacred hymn. :)

RandyWayne 02-11-2013 09:16 PM

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If this guy ever spoke at my church I would PAY to have them play this song as he walked down the isle to the alter as the song service was wrapping up and he was preparing to start his "preachin!". :)

http://magicpcmedia.com/Music/OhYea.mp3

Of course I do imagine this as being more of a Lee Stoneking tune. LOL


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