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Sister Alvear 08-19-2015 09:04 AM

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Many of you know that some 30 years ago I went and preached to naked indians...in fact two tribes of them on that journey. Today we have 7 churches in and around that area.

This week our son began the foundation of one more new church. We have around 100 indians baptized and others praying and many contacts in many areas.

It can be very dangerous and often there are killings and kidnappings in those areas.

Do remember this work in your prayers. Thanks so much.

Sister Alvear 08-19-2015 09:06 AM

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This land were he is building is along the only government highway in that part of Brazil....no one travels at night...it is very dangerous....hard for us in America to realize something like that. The last time we were up there indians stopped us 18 times!

kclee4jc 08-19-2015 09:11 AM

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We have heard much of this work and pray regularly!

Sister Alvear 08-19-2015 09:44 AM

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30 years ago I stood before two tribes that were at war both tribes were stark naked....with their faces painted for war....and told them the story of "TUPAN" God in their language....Oh! the difference the gospel makes.

Sister Alvear 08-19-2015 09:51 AM

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We have heard much of this work and pray regularly!



thanks for the prayers...it is very dangerous....

Scott Pitta 08-19-2015 06:28 PM

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Very exciting. Tribal trust is hard to gain.

FlamingZword 08-19-2015 09:03 PM

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Very exciting. Tribal trust is hard to gain.

I worked with Native American Indians and they resent the destruction of their culture by Missionaries.
Not everything in their culture was evil, and that is why many of them are still angry at the missionaries, for the missionaries often destroyed everything that was part of their culture.

They complained to me that instead of transforming the Native Indians culture with the Gospel, they destroyed it, because they thought that American Indians were total savages, some of them are still quite bitter about that.

FlamingZword 08-19-2015 09:10 PM

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Many of you know that some 30 years ago I went and preached to naked indians...in fact two tribes of them on that journey. Today we have 7 churches in and around that area.

This week our son began the foundation of one more new church. We have around 100 indians baptized and others praying and many contacts in many areas.

It can be very dangerous and often there are killings and kidnappings in those areas.

Do remember this work in your prayers. Thanks so much.

If you are making them Christians, then that is great.

But if you are making them Americans, then it is not great.

Evang.Benincasa 08-19-2015 09:17 PM

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If you are making them Christians, then that is great.

But if you are making them Americans, then it is not great.

:highfive

Steve Epley 08-19-2015 09:24 PM

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You some folks are not only ignorant but rude to boot.

Evang.Benincasa 08-19-2015 09:45 PM

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Who are you referring to elder?

FlamingZword 08-19-2015 10:02 PM

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You some folks are not only ignorant but rude to boot.

??????

Evang.Benincasa 08-19-2015 10:03 PM

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I worked with Native American Indians and they resent the destruction of their culture by Missionaries.
Not everything in their culture was evil, and that is why many of them are still angry at the missionaries, for the missionaries often destroyed everything that was part of their culture.

They complained to me that instead of transforming the Native Indians culture with the Gospel, they destroyed it, because they thought that American Indians were total savages, some of them are still quite bitter about that.

The missionaries working with them were Apostolic? Where was the tribe located?

FlamingZword 08-19-2015 10:13 PM

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The missionaries working with them were Apostolic? Where was the tribe located?

No they were not Apostolic, the Tribes were in North America, they are known as The Choctaw Nation and The Navajo Nation, I have friends in those two tribes and they are grateful for the gospel but at the same time they are resentful of the missionaries methods of obliterating their culture.

Evang.Benincasa 08-19-2015 10:23 PM

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No they were not Apostolic, the Tribes were in North America, they are known as The Choctaw Nation and The Navajo Nation, I have friends in those two tribes and they are grateful for the gospel but at the same time they are resentful of the missionaries methods of obliterating their culture.

Well, missionaries from other denominations can have a plethora of differing agendas. The Indian tribe down here who have a few Christians are Seminoles who have some Baptists, and I think some Catholics.

FlamingZword 08-19-2015 10:58 PM

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You some folks are not only ignorant but rude to boot.

Yes you are right some Missionary folks were quite rude

Those folks destroyed all the ancient history writings of the natives, so they became a people without a past history.

Those folks stopped the natives from hunting, fishing and gathering food, so they lost their ability to feed themselves like they had done for centuries and many starved to death.

Those folks stopped the natives from speaking their own language so that many of their languages became extinct.

Those folks stopped the natives from playing their own music, dances and instruments, so that their descendants forgot their old songs and how to play their own instruments.

Those folks removed the natives from their ancestral homes and forcibly put them in missions and reservations.

Yes you are quite right some Missionary folks were quite rude.

Evang.Benincasa 08-20-2015 06:18 AM

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Yes you are right some Missionary folks were quite rude

Those folks destroyed all the ancient history writings of the natives, so they became a people without a past history.

Those folks stopped the natives from hunting, fishing and gathering food, so they lost their ability to feed themselves like they had done for centuries and many starved to death.

Those folks stopped the natives from speaking their own language so that many of their languages became extinct.

Those folks stopped the natives from playing their own music, dances and instruments, so that their descendants forgot their old songs and how to play their own instruments.

Those folks removed the natives from their ancestral homes and forcibly put them in missions and reservations.

Yes you are quite right some Missionary folks were quite rude.

Stopped the natives from speaking their own language is what the Roman Catholics did with the Indians in the midwest. What do you believe was the reason for the Missionaries to stop the natives from speaking their own language? Now any kind of ancient rituals would be considered religious, like witch doctors, etc, so I can see the missionary teaching the group to abandoned their old religion. Abandoning a past religion would be rule of thumb to accepting a new one?

Sister Alvear 08-20-2015 10:13 AM

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Our friends have services in their own language...we made songbooks for them in their own languages....they seem to love us very much.

Sister Alvear 08-20-2015 10:17 AM

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We have never tried to make the Brazilians Americans...much less the Indians....I would venture to say none that have written here know much about "raw" indians right from the jungles. Brazil has the most indians tribes of any country of the world. Only 4 tribes have a complete Bible in their language!

Sister Alvear 08-20-2015 10:20 AM

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We do have indians in Brazil like you have in America that are civilized...

Evang.Benincasa 08-20-2015 11:41 AM

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Our friends have services in their own language...we made songbooks for them in their own languages....they seem to love us very much.

:highfive

Evang.Benincasa 08-20-2015 11:50 AM

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We have never tried to make the Brazilians Americans...much less the Indians....I would venture to say none that have written here know much about "raw" indians right from the jungles. Brazil has the most indians tribes of any country of the world. Only 4 tribes have a complete Bible in their language!

What happened with the early missionaries to the Indians in America's history is that they tried to Anglicize the American Indian. Same thing happened in New Zealand with the New Zealand Aborigines. But in the case of New Zealand the missionaries couldn't work fast enough for the colonists so, the army just killed off an entire race, the remnant which was left, one missionary tried to save them in a small communion but failed, due to disease, and lack of food.

I believe Canada has the same story with their Indians. Christopher Columbus had a Roman Catholic priest blow the whistle on him with his mistreatment of the Indians.

Thank Jesus that you are getting them Bibles in their own language instead of trying to teach them Elizabethan English. :)

Sister Alvear 08-20-2015 01:27 PM

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We give them both Bibles and song books in their language. We deeply love them.

Evang.Benincasa 08-20-2015 01:58 PM

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We give them both Bibles and song books in their language. We deeply love them.

Amen, reading the scripture in their native language makes it way easier for them to pick up what the verses are saying. Better understanding better revelation of the apostolic message.

FlamingZword 08-20-2015 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 1387484)
We have never tried to make the Brazilians Americans...much less the Indians....I would venture to say none that have written here know much about "raw" indians right from the jungles. Brazil has the most indians tribes of any country of the world. Only 4 tribes have a complete Bible in their language!

You are right we really do not know much about the natives living in the jungles of Brazil. I am all for missionaries reaching them with the true Apostolic message of the Bible, and hope your work grows and multiplies, and that more tribes will have the language in their own language and eventually create their own Apostolic organizations.

With the way things are going here in America, who knows in a few years, those Brazilians might have to send missionaries our way.

Evang.Benincasa 08-20-2015 10:51 PM

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With the way things are going here in America, who knows in a few years, those Brazilians might have to send missionaries our way.

Ain't that the truth.

n david 08-21-2015 08:22 AM

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Thank Jesus that you are getting them Bibles in their own language instead of trying to teach them Elizabethan English. :)

I hope Sean doesn't see this! These people are lost without the true, unadulterated, English King James Bible! :preach

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Evang.Benincasa 08-21-2015 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1387554)
I hope Sean doesn't see this! These people are lost without the true, unadulterated, English King James Bible! :preach

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