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So apparently we are getting 1,000 for every adult? Thats cool. Momma needs her some more shoes and by shoes I mean toilet paper and by toilet paper I mean bullets and by bullets I mean raman. 😂


So any pastors of the tithe recieving variety planning a cruise with the unexpected influx or are we doing the Christian thing and applying that 100xchurch membership to meeting needs in this trying time?


Maybe create teams of shoppers/errand runners/scroungers to network folks with what they need especially the older folks and ill not needing to go outside and be exposed.


Just curious how yall are planning.


Love to get a brainstorming thread going.

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Source on that government cheese?

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I mean if the government is trying to kill us, they can at least pay us. :heeheehee

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I suggest tithing income from federal stimulus be put into a charity fund so the money is used to aid the poor.

If the church is poor, the pastor needs to be transparent about the monthly fiscal picture. It may be the church needs the stimulus to keep the lights on and payroll met.

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Church’s should not have money. The Pastor should be close to a poor beggar as he can. While the saints are increased with goods.

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I read that Treasury Secy Mnuchin and Trump are working on the details. Nothing official yet that I'm aware. First proposal was for those making less than $100K, I read it was lowered to those making less than $85K.

I'm more in favor of suspending payroll taxes and doing other things rather than just giving everyone $1,000.

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Good grief, let's not make yet another thread whining about tithing.

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Silly me! I was thinking the pastors WERE saints.

Well I’m pretty sure SOME are. All the others teach tithing!

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Fox has Mnuchin saying Trump wants to mail checks to everybody in the next few weeks.

Still can't find anything official though.

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Why not? The money is created out of thin air anyway, they give billions if not trillions to companies and foreign nations, why not give money to Americans? Cutting someone a check is far less nanny-state socialistic paternalism than trying to manage everyone's finances by fiddling with payroll taxes and "other things"....

Of course payroll taxes ought to be eliminated anyway, scamdemic or no scamdemic.

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I know, I’m sorry I couldn’t resist. :heeheehee

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Exactly! :thumbsup

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The details are still being worked out according to the press conference held this morning at the White House about how it will get to Americans "fast". Trump wants it to be done in about two weeks, but there has been no announcement yet as to what, how much, and how it will be done, as apparently they are still ironing out the details. Probably tomorrow they will be making the announcement, is what the press conference seemed to imply. I'm sure it will be breaking news, lol....

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I just watched one UPC pastors youtube video on their extended plan to pipe the messages into homes and allowing up to 25 to congregate at the church. Was delivered with sincerity I will say. I know him personally. I didn't listen long enough to hear anything about or reminder of financial obligations being met during these times. I am sure it is on the minds of pastors across the nation. Hopefully some degree of preparation has been in place for tapping the reserves as we are all in the same situation especially if a layoff should occur.

Prayers to everyone. If you find yourself stressed financially don't be afraid to reach out to your family and friends.

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This is getting curiouser and curiouser.

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What's really going on?

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I don’t know, but I honestly do not want a stimulus check.

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Anybody see the clip about Tony Spell throwing down the gauntlet to the law?

Kudos to him...

Now he has to follow through and they must try to stop him.

https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/h...3-5cc481842ba6

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"WAFB-TV reports that police told Spell after Tuesday night's service at the Life Tabernacle Church near Baton Rouge that the National Guard will break up any future church service that violates public health rules. "

...and I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free...

Or something like that...

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I disagree. If LA has a ban on gatherings over 50, they should follow it.

I'd like to see his reaction if one of the church members didn't respect his authority.

This isn't a ban on churches only. This applies to everything. For him to act as though it's some kind of persecution is ridiculous.

Spell needs to read his Bible and follow the law.

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I haven’t got a clue :lol

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https://media.giphy.com/media/CyXJZs07Kj96/giphy.gif

This isn't government persecution.

Stop it.

If the government was trying to stop churches and exercise of religion, I would have a different response. It's not.

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It’s a precursor for things to come. Just a little experiment to see how people respond.

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Yep...these "thin blue line" guys gonna learn...


Big wakeup call to some folks.

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Here's a better link with a lot more information...

https://www.wafb.com/2020/03/18/bato...hurch-service/

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Before anyone flips out about persecution and the National Guard coming to break up services... read closely:

"""The Louisiana National Guard says it has not been tasked with breaking up large gatherings in the state, including at churches."""

"""Rev. Tony Spell, says police showed up at the church after the service telling him the National Guard would break up any future gatherings that exceed 50 people. Louisiana National Guard Colonel Ed Bush said Wednesday that is not accurate.

“The National Guard has not been tasked with enforcing any of the curfew, social distancing or meeting requirements as set by the governor,” Colonel Bush said. “Our focus right now is completely with helping state agencies with preparedness and medical readiness,” Bush added."""

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I disagree completely.

This thing is about religious freedoms, not about football games or other gatherings.

We have something called the bill of rights that specifically entitles us to freedom of religion.

Period!

If people want to get together, even if they are sick, and worship God... that is their right and obligation that they feel they have to God.

Not you or me or Trump can change that my friend. Maybe see about a man named Daniel who disobeyed the edict to not obey the king.

Not quite for sure what version of the Bible you might be reading but you might want to put that book back in yours.

There were 3 Hebrew Children thrown into the fire for the same reason. We have two witnesses in the same book... should we do less?

This coronavirus is a hoax. Sorry to tell you that, history is going to prove it out that that is the truth.

Bro Spell is doing the right thing in obeying what he feels the Lord told him to do. It would not surprise me if his church doesn't hit 2k this weekend with every other apostolic whose church was canceled showing up for service.

I would go there to help out if I was closer...

This is a win win situation for him, a pr nightmare for the state. They can't enforce this without looking bad.

Gonna be interesting to see how many more follow suit.

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Cooler heads higher up then johnny law saw the futility here and put a stop to the rumors, but the fat is already frying in the fire.

Spell is gonna win in this one, even if he gets charged with something.

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Is he the President and CEO of a Limited Liability Corporate 501c3 charitable organization?

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I didn't say he wouldn't be charged or that he wouldn't even be penalized, but Spell is going to win.

They may even lose their llc or 501c3, but I believe that he is prepared to go all the way.

He may even face charges but they won't stick and in the end he will have stood for his convictions.

If he doesn't have a huge crowd show up this weekend then I will be surprised.

Now the N Guard has said that they won't do anything so it will be up to the local law...

Are they willing to push this or ....?

He has thrown down the gauntlet and who is going to blink.

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Alls Spell has to do is stand! He must be prepared to lose some things at first but this will pass and he will have stood for what he believed.

All the WPF ers who carry guns will show up to support, oh yeah!!!

They been waiting for sumpin like dis!!!

Gonna be like the Bundy standoff in Nevada if they aren't careful, all those rednecks down there feeling like they have to stand for that!!!

They faced down the federal government, not just some local law!

Gonna be interesting this weekend.

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1. This isn't about religious freedoms and the reason is it IS about other gatherings, including football games and other activities.

2. The Bill of Rights isn't at issue here. The govt did NOT ban religion.

Just STOP it! You're as hysterical and ridiculous as the TP hoarders and libs screaming about Trump.

There is still yet freedom of religion. Take a deep breath and stop flipping out. The ban is on crowds over 50. You can still have church. You can stream it live on the internet or meet in groups of 50. So stop with this ridiculous claim that the Bill of Rights and 1A is under assault. What's under assault is common sense and comprehension of facts.

They can still do that. Good grief.

Daniel and the 3 Hebrews are apples and oranges compared to this situation.
You need to read 1 Peter 2:13-15. Should we do less than what Peter told the early church to do?

That's your opinion, but it doesn't change the Bible or the temporary ordinance.

They're not going to enforce it, at least not with the National Guard as Spell claimed.

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You're an idiot.

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Sorry for those who caved to the politicians but I definitely see that there will be a migration to the churches who will stand.

There will be churches who will regret canceling, they won't recover some ground lost. We saw what Katrina did down there, afterwards some just disappeared. Same here.

There are those down there who will see this as the end of the end of the end!!! They are locked and loaded, ready for the anti-Christ!!! They will see that Gov'ner down there as the AC!

Gonna be interesting.

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Will be fun when one of the church members tells him to kick rocks and tells him he won't do what Spell tells him to do.

Don't expect church members to respect authority when the Pastor doesn't.

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Should he have one, if he loses his 501c3 the church will likely go under. Especially if the local IRS decides to make an example of him. They can hit him for back property, salary, and ministerial taxes from when the 501c3 was first given, plus new taxes on property, salaries, and etc. That could be in the high thousands at this point.

I am not saying he should or shouldn't do anything. But it's not an automatic win-win for him and the church.

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I'm an idiot? We'll wait and see. Those rednecks down there are prepping, carrying guns to church, we'll see.

Now I haven't called you an idiot, although it would certainly fit, but you are definitely blind.

Did you even listen to the broadcast? Did you you hear the rhetoric?

Are you deaf as well as blind?

Talk to some of those backwoods people down there and see if I am missing it.

don't think so.