Disaffiliation with the UPC????
 

If the Pastor decides to disaffilliate his Church from the UPC but does not discuss UPC issues as to why he is disaffilliating is he being honest or dishonest?

It takes either a Board Meeting or General Meeting doesn't it to vote for disaffilliation should he discuss with those the reasons he is disaffilliating?

imo...if the church is UPC they have a right to know why he believes they should disaffilliate...especially if he is not the founding pastor but voted in..

what say ye??

I say you are right.

If a pastor wants to disaffilliate then he should have a meeting with his people and explain why. He should be willing to answer any questions they may have. If the church don't want to disaffilliate then he puts himself between a rock and a hard place but at least the church gets to make the choice based on what they want.

I agree all things should be honestly done...

If the pastor presents all his feelings and says that he wants to disaffilliate with the UPCI and the church feels the same then I would support him. The bottom line is that if it is all done honestly then let them do what they feel they need to do.

If I understand this correctly if a affliatied church wants to disaffliate ,it has to be voted by the membership of the local church , so a pastor would need to explain to the church why he feels the need to disaffliate.
See one can disaffliate the church ,and lapse on the budget fees and still have a church to pastor.
If a man turns in his card,and the church is affliated He is out of a pastorate.

You are right.

Again if this is done honestly ,and the Pastor has the mind of Christ ,hey more power to him.
I know of a UPCI Pastor who started a church in a town ,and explained what the difference between affliation and non-affliation and let the people vote ,they voted not to affliate. The Pastor has been in that town 28 yrs. and the church has never affliated.

I would think the more info the more honest the man is...I do believe people have a right to know especially if they finacially support the church...

When people ask me why I am not this or that....well your kin folks are this or that...I just tell them we have never felt to belong and we are building up a national work in Brazil. I would not use the term I left because I am more holy or they are more holy or however we define holy.
We have to know the DIVINE will of God for our lives and those we work with.
With that in mind we decide destiny for souls under our care that includes all of us who are leaders have people that are following us.

Churches should have unbiased, objective boards rather than allow one man that much control. He should at least consider the opinions of the church membership

I have had several friends disaffiliate their churches. They must have a business meeting and you must invite an official of the UPC like a presbyter or DS. All those who I know had a official present.

Here's a different slant Prax. Our Church board decided we should vote to become non affiliated earlier this year.

Our pastor was not for this but the board voted on it and then took it to the church and the chuch voted on it and passed.

A meeting must be announced three times and the district informed of the intent of the church and they have the right to send a district representive to the business meeting to present wht they feel the church should remain affiliated.

I think the pastor should be on the board.

You should read the thread, "How Much Information Should The Saints Expect From Their Pastor?" Just don't mention Coonskinner's name!!

Pastor is President of the board or of our corporation I believe Prax, but he can't out vote the board of elders or trustee board.

Was it explained to the church why they were disaffilliating?

the church does not allways have the right to know,and the reasoning behind that is most churches are not upc but their pastors are and it has nothing to do with the saints in his church.if my pastor does not want to pay his dues then thats up to him.he is the one that pays them not the saints.

So the saints don't go to UPC camp meetings or read the Herald or go to fellowship meetings with other churches or go to Conference??

really we dont we have our own camp in ventura and youth in atwater,ca and we will fellowship with the same churches, upc or not.as of now we do not do anything that upc puts on and even if we did go to upc stuff and our pastor got out it does not mean you cant attend campmeeting and confrencess that are put on by the upc.(they dont ask if your upc)

Why then is your Pastor still liscensed with the UPC?? It makes no sense...

im not sure.but this is the first year that we didnt do anything upc.last year we went to wd campmeeting

How do you feel about it?

i love it. im the youth pastor in our church and a lot of the section or distric church services they have i wouldnt want to take my youth anyways. i will back my pastor in the decesion he makes regarding the upc.

Why not take the youth to the district services? Is there something wrong with the way they are conducted?

yes! we almost took them to youth convention one of the nights since it was one of are friends last year involved but we didnt and were glad because of how one of the churches conducted themselfs

Wouldn't all this hinge on the local Church's By-laws?

Most church's do have by-laws don't they? And a board of elders?

Unless the church was bought and paid for by the Pastor it's not his to do with as he pleases is it?

its his license not the churches

do you think that is protection or insecurity?

What happened? I find it hard to believe that "a church" conducted themselves badly. Of course I know I may be setting myself up here, but what did they do? What could they possibly have done to be disruptive of a district youth conference?

its not insecurity its protection and wisdom.

I think you mis-understand. A Minister came drop out of the org whenever he wants, but some churches have by-laws that state the Pastor must be licensed with the UPC. Disaffiliation has to do with the Church and it's property.

true and if the by-laws state that then thats that. but most churches do not have that in their by-laws.im on our board also and we dont have that in our by-laws.the saints in my church are not upc but my pastor is.

Why??

because he is the one that pays for his licensed not the church.if HE gets out then at that point our church has nothing to do with the upc.the church is not owned by the upc.they have no say so at our church.

It sounds like you have some anger toward the UPC in general. I'm not pointing a finger here, I felt a great deal of anger in the past toward the same org.

But the UPC isn't a monolith. It's a complex interaction of many different parts. What was it that made you feel you could not fellowship with the UPC in your area after that youth meeting you mentioned earlier?

Our church isn't affialted.

Our kids go to an ind youth camp in Baton Rouge, LA and I attend camp meeting at North Little Rock. We don't use the UPC camps.

i have no anger toward the upc.in fact that has been all that i have known all my life.its sad but i feel the upc is opening up a door that they will never be able to shut. and also it was not that one thing that made me not want to attend their meetings its eveything they have been allowing in almost all the meetings in our section.

Steering away from the great unwashed?

What have they been allowing in the meetings?