Water/Spirit
 

No the first time I heard someone explain John 3:5 as not being about baptism it actually made sense to me. I feel like you have to bring a lot of baggage with you to get baptism out of that passage. So I kicked the W/S doctrine first.


When Jesus explains it he compares a natural birth to a spiritual birth...that which is born of the flesh is flesh that which is born of the spirit is spirit.

Water = natural birth
Spirit = spiritual birth

(but that's a separate thread)

Re: Your experience when you dropped "dress standa
 

Exactly and when I saw that, it made so much sense to me! :bliss

Re: Your experience when you dropped "dress standa
 

No I get it, was just wondering if you believe people should be baptized in water.

Re: Your experience when you dropped "dress standa
 

Yes, I suppose never thought of baptizing someone in anything else. But I certainly don't point to John 3:5 for that.

Re: Your experience when you dropped "dress standa
 

Let me rephrase my question. Do you believe in water baptism?

Re: Your experience when you dropped "dress standa
 

No I believe in Jesus Christ, but I think those that believe in Jesus Christ will be baptized.

Re: Your experience when you dropped "dress standa
 

Seems silly for Jesus to say; 'In order to get to heaven you first have to be born... and then you have to be born again. But first.. gotta make sure you're born.. if you aren't born you don't stand a chance of getting into heaven.

DUH.

But that scripture aside, there are pleanty others for Water and Spirit.

Indeed, another thread.

Re: Water/Spirit
 

I don't mind my post being moved... but Ferd did ask the question on the previous thread... about if people dropped the w/s doctrine before or after dropping standards... So some of the above posts were actually answering Ferd's question.

Not sure if that means anything.. Ferd may wonder why no one answered if he reads the other thread only.

Re: Water/Spirit
 

No, see that's where we bring baggage.

3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

Jesus says born again.

4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

Nicodemus answers another natural birth?

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Jesus then distinguishes between the first birth (water) and the second (spirit)

7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Then He talks just about the spirit birth.

We bring baptism to this passage and insert born again of water, that's not what He said.

Re: Water/Spirit
 

Ferd's question is a part of this thread now too.