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Dr. Vaughn 07-16-2008 09:22 AM

It is wrong to Ordain new Christians as Ministers
 
When giving the qualifications to be ordained for ministry.. ;Paul forbids the Ordination of New converts.. those who have only been saved for a few years are forbidden from preaching... I had no idea until I read this scripture

I Tim 3:6 - Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

The meaning of NOVICE in its original - NEOPHUTOS - 1) newly planted

a) a new convert, neophyte (one who has recently become a Christian)

It should be several years after conversion before anyone is allowed to approach the pulpit according to Pauls teachings.

Ron 07-16-2008 09:41 AM

Re: It is wrong to Ordain new Christians as Minist
 
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn (Post 531442)
When giving the qualifications to be ordained for ministry.. ;Paul forbids the Ordination of New converts.. those who have only been saved for a few years are forbidden from preaching... I had no idea until I read this scripture

I Tim 3:6 - Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

The meaning of NOVICE in its original - NEOPHUTOS - 1) newly planted

a) a new convert, neophyte (one who has recently become a Christian)

It should be several years after conversion before anyone is allowed to approach the pulpit according to Pauls teachings.

Certainly they shouldn't be a novice for sure.
Everybody is at different levels though, I have a friend who came to the Lord about 3 years after me & he is already Pastoring.

Brad Murphy 07-16-2008 12:19 PM

Re: It is wrong to Ordain new Christians as Minist
 
Ordained by God or by man-made organizations?

Dr. Vaughn 07-16-2008 12:23 PM

Re: It is wrong to Ordain new Christians as Minist
 
not organizations but definitly by man.... Paul told Timothy to ordain elders in every city.. God didnt ordain those men.. MAN DID... because no one can not be in authority thats not under authority....

Ordination must take place by man,,. its how it happened in the NT and it must happen the same way now..

Brad Murphy 07-16-2008 12:25 PM

Re: It is wrong to Ordain new Christians as Minist
 
But at some point, did not a group of men decide that they were qualified to ordain others (or each other) without being "ordained" themselves?

Dr. Vaughn 07-16-2008 12:30 PM

Re: It is wrong to Ordain new Christians as Minist
 
Sorry Brad.. not sure what you are referencing

Brad Murphy 07-16-2008 12:37 PM

Re: It is wrong to Ordain new Christians as Minist
 
I guess just that no one is really ordained unless they can show a hierachical chain of ordinations all the way back to Jesus. :D

Sister Alvear 07-16-2008 12:59 PM

Re: It is wrong to Ordain new Christians as Minist
 
I think if someone is ordained too soon it can and usually does destroy them!

Dr. Vaughn 07-16-2008 01:11 PM

Re: It is wrong to Ordain new Christians as Minist
 
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 531792)
I think if someone is ordained too soon it can and usually does destroy them!

I know this personally to be a fact.......

I believe someone should be a believer for years before they are handed the pulpit.. there is no room for novices in Gods Kingdom as far as PREACHING

I was ordained at 14 years old... and OH HOW I WISH I could do it over again........ I had no business preaching the gospel at that age.... I was a NOVICE and just like scriptures tell us... PRIDE was not far behind... and then a fall came.........

We should be very careful who we ordain into ministry

Rico 07-16-2008 03:34 PM

Re: It is wrong to Ordain new Christians as Minist
 
Every person is different. Some people may be ready for pulpit ministry in less time than others. Jesus entire ministry was only 3 1/2 years long. In that time frame he won many converts, trained them to preach, and had them out preaching.


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