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Praxeas 08-14-2008 04:49 PM

Falsely accused by CARM
 
I don't post on carm anymore...the reason is I went there to post and my posts were being deleted and or moderated. I emailed CARM and Diane gave me this

The reason is obvious, read our rules. The rules were broken, if and when we are permitted to return posters violating the rules, you will be informed. We will not tolerate posters lying about the ministry on our forums. This is our home, use some respect. Matt will answer emails of questions, not false accusations on public forums.

Not once has anyone there told me what I did that was wrong. They just started deleting posts...posts mind you that were in defense of Oneness and refuting their arguments there. They still have not told me what I did, or given me an example or a warning. What rule did I violate? I was not told. I asked but was not told.. WHo did I lie about? What false accusation? She apparently can't tell me but just assumed I was guilty.

That is why I don't post there Mizpeh and others.

Michael Phelps 08-14-2008 04:51 PM

Re: Falsely accused by CARM
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 565618)
I don't post on carm anymore...the reason is I went there to post and my posts were being deleted and or moderated. I emailed CARM and Diane gave me this

The reason is obvious, read our rules. The rules were broken, if and when we are permitted to return posters violating the rules, you will be informed. We will not tolerate posters lying about the ministry on our forums. This is our home, use some respect. Matt will answer emails of questions, not false accusations on public forums.

Not once has anyone there told me what I did that was wrong. They just started deleting posts...posts mind you that were in defense of Oneness and refuting their arguments there. They still have not told me what I did, or given me an example or a warning. What rule did I violate? I was not told. I asked but was not told.. WHo did I lie about? What false accusation? She apparently can't tell me but just assumed I was guilty.

That is why I don't post there Mizpeh and others.

What is CARM?

Praxeas 08-14-2008 04:52 PM

Re: Falsely accused by CARM
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps (Post 565619)
What is CARM?

A website/org called Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. Very anti anything that they don't agree with. Everyone is lost and going to hell and a cult if you don't believe like they do. Very anti Oneness

Michael Phelps 08-14-2008 04:53 PM

Re: Falsely accused by CARM
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 565620)
A website/org called Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. Very anti anything that they don't agree with. Everyone is lost and going to hell and a cult if you don't believe like they do. Very anti Oneness

Ah, thanks.

Elizabeth 08-14-2008 04:59 PM

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link?

CC1 08-14-2008 05:41 PM

Re: Falsely accused by CARM
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 565620)
A website/org called Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. Very anti anything that they don't agree with. Everyone is lost and going to hell and a cult if you don't believe like they do. Very anti Oneness

When I read the bolded part of your post I thought it must be a UPC site. Then I saw your last sentance. LOL!!!

Praxeas 08-14-2008 05:55 PM

Re: Falsely accused by CARM
 
www.carm.org

pelathais 08-14-2008 05:59 PM

Re: Falsely accused by CARM
 
CARM is headed by Matt Slick. Matt is what folks here would consider to be a rather "hard-core Calvinist." I have actually corresponded with him in the past and found him to be a generous and caring individual. I suspect Prax's "sin" may have been due to the zeal of someone on Matt's staff. Obviously, I'm extrapolating at best, and perhaps just guessing as to the reasons for Prax's unfortunate experience.

Matt had just debated a Oneness (UPC) minister about a month ago in a formal debate held at his church in cental Idaho. It could be that some of the CARM staffers are sensitized to "OP rhetoric" - and face it, Prax is onery (just kidding there, little buddy).

I have found that any time I attempt to engage someone in the realm of "religious controversy" that I first go out of my way to be candid about my motives in speaking with them. Next I try to be as precise and simultaneously as kind as I can possibly muster. That is, I do if I want to keep the channels of communication open.

But even then, you will always meet folks that simply don't have the time or the patience to discuss your concerns. People are busy. You have to almost sell them on the idea that it's worth their time to hear you out. And that's usually a tough sell, no matter who your audience is.

Praxeas 08-14-2008 06:22 PM

Re: Falsely accused by CARM
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 565711)
CARM is headed by Matt Slick. Matt is what folks here would consider to be a rather "hard-core Calvinist." I have actually corresponded with him in the past and found him to be a generous and caring individual. I suspect Prax's "sin" may have been due to the zeal of someone on Matt's staff. Obviously, I'm extrapolating at best, and perhaps just guessing as to the reasons for Prax's unfortunate experience.

Matt had just debated a Oneness (UPC) minister about a month ago in a formal debate held at his church in cental Idaho. It could be that some of the CARM staffers are sensitized to "OP rhetoric" - and face it, Prax is onery (just kidding there, little buddy).

I have found that any time I attempt to engage someone in the realm of "religious controversy" that I first go out of my way to be candid about my motives in speaking with them. Next I try to be as precise and simultaneously as kind as I can possibly muster. That is, I do if I want to keep the channels of communication open.

But even then, you will always meet folks that simply don't have the time or the patience to discuss your concerns. People are busy. You have to almost sell them on the idea that it's worth their time to hear you out. And that's usually a tough sell, no matter who your audience is.

I really think the mods just were over zealous. They gave no reason, no warning and after the fact I got this cryptic message and clearly if Diane really knew the reason she could give me an example.

mizpeh 08-14-2008 06:52 PM

Re: Falsely accused by CARM
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 565730)
I really think the mods just were over zealous. They gave no reason, no warning and after the fact I got this cryptic message and clearly if Diane really knew the reason she could give me an example.

When did that happen?


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