[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Socialite

What does the garden tell us about God? He wants to provide? What does the serpent's existence tell us about God? He wants us to not trust God's providence. God desires our trust. Us trusting Him that He knows what's best.

You have a lot of explaining to do if you believe The Fall was Plan A, God's will, that is pleases Him... Let's talk about a sadistic God, shall we.

Stop the strawman about him being "powerless" to save. His blood is life. Of course he came and carried the load Himself --- for all who believe. That fact is, I can't even list all the scriptures and quotes from the Gospels that include "for all who believe" "for all who are called" "for those whom he elected" "for those who love the Lord" etc... It would fill a list a couple pages long. Get your pen out!

Let's get back to the argument. Point-for-point, verse-for-verse, we could go on all day like this.

Wasn't the lamb slain before the foundations of the world? Some think that means before the earth was even created, of so, then wouldn't it indeed be plan A?