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Originally Posted by crakjak
Nonsense, my friend, He is the first cause, He set up the garden, and allowed the serpent access.
His original plan included the fall, for His full purpose. It is all plan A, no plan B.
If your view is correct, and you say he has "offered" a way out, why is it so unlikely for most humans to find this "way out"?
No, I believe we have been listening to "empty rhetoric" way too long. HE is not powerless or impotent to save, HE came and carried the load HIMSELF. And HE will save to the uttermost, HE is the refining fire that will "thoroughly" cleanse HIS creation.
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What does the garden tell us about God? He wants to provide? What does the serpent's existence tell us about God? He wants us to not trust God's providence. God desires our trust. Us trusting Him that He knows what's best.
You have a lot of explaining to do if you believe The Fall was Plan A, God's will, that is pleases Him... Let's talk about a sadistic God, shall we.
Stop the strawman about him being "powerless" to save. His blood is life. Of course he came and carried the load Himself --- for all who believe. That fact is, I can't even list all the scriptures and quotes from the Gospels that include "for all who believe" "for all who are called" "for those whom he elected" "for those who love the Lord" etc... It would fill a list a couple pages long. Get your pen out!
Let's get back to the argument. Point-for-point, verse-for-verse, we could go on all day like this.
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