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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo
So is the Spirit received in part? If one truly holds to this view how can they consistently say that when one speaks in tongues it is "intitial evidence" ?
Even if one says the Spirit is for "empowerment" and not salvation, if they hold to the initial evidence doctrine then how can they CONSISTENTLY claim the one who has not spoken in tongues, does indeed have the SPirit, if tongues is the evidence. It does not follow.
I understand the thoery, I don't think it is consistent with Biblical doctrine. Whether or not the view is predominate or held by the majority of pentecostals has no bearing on its truthfulness.
Which puts them in a real hard place, since the Bible tells us that if any man has not the Spirit of Christ he is none of His. At least the UC three steppers are consistent in their view.
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I will try to be very brief. The majority of Christians believe that when one asks Jesus Christ to come into his heart, the Lord does come in as the Holy Spirit and justification/salvation/regeneration happens. The Holy Ghost Baptism is an empowering experience when the Holy Spirit comes upon a person who is already saved. The Holy Ghost baptism can happen seconds after a person gets saved; or a couple years later like the 120 who were already saved under Jesus' ministry but were baptized in the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost; maybe days later like the Holy Spirit came upon the Samaritans through the laying on of hands some time after their salvation and water baptism; three days after Saul's conversion on the road to Damascus he was baptized in the Spirit; seconds or minutes after the Holy Spirit fell upon Cornelius and his friends when they believed Peter's preaching and were saved; within minutes after the Ephesians were saved and water baptized in
Acts 19 they received the Holy Ghost baptism by the laying on of hands.