[mfblume]

Here's how you are not even reading my words, since you lack the entire concept of salvation by faith. Watch:

Originally Posted by shazeep

oh, i don't know--one less time than i state that you don't get to define these concepts for everyone else, i guess.

There it is right off the bat.

I say muslims are lost because Jesus said...

Joh 14:6 KJV Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

And Peter said:

Act 4:10-12 KJV Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. (11) This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. (12) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

And Paul said...

Php 2:8-11 KJV And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. (9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: (10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; (11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

...and you respond saying I AM DEFINING THOSE TERMS FOR EVERYONE ELSE. Meanwhile, you never once stop and state what those terms REALLY MEAN, to show I am wrong.

Shazeep, there's no way anyone can define those terms in any other way than to say Jesus is the ONLY WAY TO GOD. Please show me how they do not state that, instead of just saying I am defining those terms for everyone. Please show me HOW YOU define them,

The fact is, shazeep, and you can avoid it til the cows come home as you gave been, but those kinds of statements are stated in such a way that one cannot get diverse interpretations form them. All you can do is image there's another meaning, but likely admit you don't know it, because they'r such a narrow way of speaking that there's no room for varying interpretations. So, if I am wrong, show me how those verses are NOT stating what I claim they are, instead of making empty and unproved claims.

well, until you demonstrate that you really believe that, i'd say. Love disqualifies all your talk at the moment, if you even believe in your heart that someone else is deserving of your condemnation, Mr Blume.

Again, you claim a person cannot be loving if one says a religion's adherent are lost if they do not bow their knee and confess Jesus alone is Lord, and the name above every single name on earth under heaven. You claim a person is not loving when they merely repeat what Jesus, Peter and Paul said about who is saved. So, you're offbase from the get-go.

And then based upon that false assumption of what loving is not, you go further and make groundless claims that I am condemning when I am merely repeated what the bible says, from what you have no alternative interpretation while you claim mine is wrong.

You have a faulty understanding of what love is all about. And you discount explanations of scripture that allow for one to say a certain religion's adherents are all lost.

The fact is what your flesh does not LIKE is what you claim cannot be LOVE. It reminds me of the gay community saying Christians HATE because they state homosexuality is a sin. You are taking the basis of that same baseless worldly thinking. You do not LIKE the sound of what the bible said, so you make yourself think what it actually says, but are unable to state what it is, believing it simply cannot be what those who make your flesh feel bad say it believes.

You have yet to connect the two, at least in your speech. But again, you might be acting completely differently, i don't know.

Oh? You knew very well a few posts ago when you were able to judge my heart and its intentions by saying I only get from the bible what I want and not what God intends.

Did you ever stop to think you might be wrong about what you think love is? You certainly should, because you're putting a lot of stock into that issue and accusing everyone who does not have YOUR interpretation, which you do not even know what it is, (it just cannot be what I claim it is since it makes your flesh feel bad), to be hateful.

If/when you ever come to the realization that Muslims are not all lost, just because they have not gotten baptized according to your definitions (and not UPCI ones, or whatever), then please feel free to get back to me, and I'll see if i can't find some Scripture to absolve you

It goes back further than baptism. lol

Wow.

It goes back, Shazeep, to the simple point of Christ and the apostles stating HE ALONE IS LORD and every knee must bow to HIM and call HIM LORD, and PREACH HIM and no one or nothing else, and serve Him as the one who has the highest name in existence!

I am not even talking about baptism here. I am talking about what baptism stems from. I am talking about the FOUNDATION, Shazeep. JESUS. HE is the foundation. The chief cornerstone. THAT is denied by muslims. If not, then you and Walks in Islam repeat the words from your heart indicating you believe them, that Paul said in Philippians 2:

Php 2:8-11 KJV And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. (9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: (10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; (11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

In place of every knee and every tongue, place YOUR name and confess each detail that Paul stated above. And show me in the Koran where Muhammed taught THOSE DETAILS.

Mr Blume, this presupposes that you have some divine interpretation of Scripture, that everyone must adhere to, or be lost. It is a purely self-serving, circular justification. Made with the best of intent, i understand that.

Pipe dreams.

I am stating Muslims do not believe the scriptures I quoted, and they're so simple to follow that NO DIVINE INTERPRATION IS NECESSARY.

And I will prove that by asking you to say what YOU BELIEVE they are saying and what is different from MY "intepretation", and then standing back and watching how you will not be able to give the interpretation that differs from mine. That's who I will prove you are wrong here. Unless you do nothing aside from giving us what those verses are saying that I am not in agreement with, then you're all talk here and speaking groundless statements.

I'll watch.

yes, and i am only relaying that my interpretation of the Bible can beat up your interpretation of the Bible every day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

So far, you have not provided ONE SINGLE INTERPRETATION of ANY QUOTED VERSE I have quoted to show where I am wrong. Empty claims, Shazeep.

You interpret the Bible for everyone else; you might seek a better way.

Sorry, I do not.

In fact, like I have done with you, I ask you to read it for yourself and tell me what YOU believe in your heart it says. But so far you've not given one statement about what any verse in particular has to say in truth. So, what will it be? Will you tell me what Paul said in Philippians 2:8-11? Or give some excuse like you won't waste your time, and cop-out?

Those definitions that you are so convinced of, that you don't even examine them, might be useless now.

I examined the scriptures carefully, which is how I cam to propose what I do about them. But until you provide ONE INTERPRETATION from any of the verses I provided, proving to me they're NOT so easily understood as I claim they are, giving one LOTS OF ROOM to vary in interpretation, then your words are meaningless.

your point was evident at "Muslims are lost," Mr Blume. Your spirit was manifest in this statement, this belief. You insist that works cannot save you, and ignore that works can condemn you. Yes, i am a hypocrite.

Your entire concept of a person's spirit is faulty beyond description since you obviously got a distorted version based upon how your flesh dislikes certain statements. And you prove it over and again when you are unable to provide me with the alternate CORRECT interpretation for any verse I presented.

I won't hold my breath for your interpretation.