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Originally Posted by donfriesen1
Alexander the coppersmith has done me much harm, does not demonstrate the gift Paul had was making room for Paul.
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Who ever said it does? Your gift or talent making opportunity for you is self explanatory. We get opportunity in any certain field of labor because of our particular set of skills. With B. Smith’s lack of receiving a word serving position can also be his attitude, which might supersede his abilities. B. Smith could be a super genius when it comes to the Word. Yet, if he exhibits a poor attitude towards leader ship, or the congregation. It doesn’t matter how much he knows about the Word of God. His opinion on head coverings could be manna from Heaven. But, if his main objective is focused on being a bud nipper, to the congregation, to the pastor, towards the pastor’s family, and elders. Then he will be found the leader of the snow shovel ministry. Now, for a qualifier, I respect the brothers and sisters who put the hard work in taking care of details of the butcher, the baker, and the candlestick maker. Don’t get me wrong. Yet, we someone always harping on being a leader and never ever wants to be a servant? Then that could manifest into a bigger problem years later. No one cares about what you know theologically if you can’t serve them with a servants’s mind.
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That Daniel's prayer was hindered for three weeks does not show the gift he had made room for him.
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Daniel’s gift that created opportunity for him gave him a position in the kingdom of Babylon. B. Smith’s gift seems to place him at odds with Pastor John Doe. B. Smith, would do well if you re-examined his position on the matter. Whatever problem Pastor J.D. has is his own problem. B.Smith can’t do anything about that other than pray. But, B. Smith can work on B. Smith, theologically and behaviorally.
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Originally Posted by donfriesen1
That David was brought to Saul by his gift does not mean the gift was not working when Saul tried to kill him. Your comparisons suck.
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David’s gift was that he rose to the position of King. But, the reason Saul wanted to kill David was monarchial jealousy. This presents another interesting point. Does B. Smith believe that after he presented his mind concerning head coverings and his position was rejected, does he feel the matter is now personal? Does he now see Pastor John Doe as a jealous rival? Right then and there B. Smith needs to abandon all thoughts of a word serving position. For the reason that if he views leadership as being jealous of him, how long would it take before he sees new converts are his rivals? All because they challenge his views? I would take B. Smith out to the City of Fort Lauderdale to see how he does among the friendlies and the hostiles in an open Bible study. That is one sure fire way of testing not of a gift of knowledge, but the gift Ministerial patience.
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Originally Posted by donfriesen1
This again demonstrates your incomplete interpretive abilities. I regret being so dramatic saying so, because I do not usually do so, but I feel compelled to when smothered.
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In an open Bible study out in a busy park in any large city can be smothering.
Inside a church family you are with “family” you build a relationship with these people through love and trust. Same with the leadership. But, out in the busy city locations you are dealing with all sorts of people who have all sorts of spiritual issues. “If racing against mere men makes you tired, how will you race against horses? If you stumble and fall on open ground, what will you do in the thickets near the Jordan? Don, if you buckle under dealing with a faceless nobody on a forum, then you certainly would last with me face to face. B. Smith would’ve had some sort of relationship beyond the one dimensional world of social media. Therefore he would’ve been able not only to articulate his position on head covers in a peaceful brotherly way, but also convey physically and behaviorally his idea of
Romans 14.
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Originally Posted by donfriesen1
Dom don't be ridiculous and say B Smith's righteous desires are negated by Pastor Doe's unscriptural actions. No one should say this. You did not learn this from the Bible.
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You see what you just said? B.Smith wants and needs are negated by Pastor John Doe? Is this hypothetical church on the Forbidden Planet only consist of two people? Pastor J.D. and B. Smith? Don, if the church family is like 30 people, men, women, and children, don’t they have wants and needs? B. Smith is focused on B. Smith, remember he is contending for the faith. Yet, it really looks like he is contending to be heard over all other voices. Like I said before, if he has presented his thoughts and they were rejected, then either sit down and shut up, or move on. It’s really that simple. Also, if B. Smith presented his material, and it was rejected. How much chewing time did B. Smith even give Pastor Doe? I know everything you think comes out of your mouth is heavenly golden manna. But, to others it may be finger nails across a chalk board. At least give time for digestion and contemplation. B. Smith might get a phone call or an email in 20 years with Pastor J.D. saying eureka! I see it B.Smith!!! I see it!!