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Originally Posted by donfriesen1
Or instead, are they trying to be obedient to the Word?
Either you are a raving mad, or just trolling the forum. Have you ever been leadership in a congregation? Would you allow someone to claim that they were being obedient to the Word, if you knew beyond a shadow of doubt that they were scripturally incorrect? Take for instance if a brother believed, and taught that Mary the mother of Jesus was a "Co-Redemptrix" concerning soteriology? Would you allow it to propagate through your church family? Saying that the brother was covered by
Romans 14?
No. But now you're actually going in the right direction, Dom. Kudos to you. Here you are actually tackling my conclusions in attempts to disprove the reasons why my conclusions are wrong. You go boy! Keep going in this direction. I've been waiting long time for this. See if my reasonings are faulty and lay it out for us all to see. Stop the nonsense you usually provide when deriding my character instead of deriding my views. Would you classify him as contending for the faith? Being obedient to the Word? I'm going back to my original thoughts concerning you. You are all alone buddy, you and Pastor Doe parted ways long long ago.
Originally Posted by donfriesen1
A trouble maker is one from the heart. It is their nature to do so, regardless of the time or circumstance. Wherever they go, it will come through to the surface because that is what they are.
Are you describing yourself Don? Don, the above is you. In your heart you are the gatekeeper. You are totally convinced that you are the head of the body. So, if you show up in a congregation right away the first thing you see isn't all the nice people ready to welcome you. You see everything YOU need to correct.
Funny that. You say I see everything wrong in church. But yet, here I am - writing only about one thing - Ro14 - and not about the 'everything wrong' you say I see. That I resist your baiting, to change the topics of discussion, shows I do not wish to talk about every wrong. Funny that. This shows you wrong. If I would rant and rave about everything wrong at church you might hear of it here in my AFF writings. But yet you don't, do you Dom? You don't because it is a figment of your imagination. You make stuff up about me and tell it here like as if it is truth, don't you Dom? The elders and the pastor
God bless them is my constant prayer, but I don't bless any who distort the interpretation of scripture. I leave that up to you because you do enough for both of us.
no matter how long they've been chopping wood in that church, have been doing it wrong. Yet, they may be wrong, but you know what Don? You're not the one who can correct them. Because you aren't a good listener. How many times have I posted an answer to your questions concerning Romans and Jude? Therefore you and the preacher both have been doing it wrong, yet you will accomplish absolutely zero. Then inevitably they will give you the left boot of fellowship right in your back pockets out the door. Why? Because they were there first. That's their building, their platform, their pews, and their pulpit. Ground control to Major Tom? You will be contending for the faith far far away from that church family. You can only blame yourself.
The last time I checked, I saw that the church was a body of believers. Every part must take its proper functioning place. God has no place for big dogs who take the credit when they say 'this is my church, my building, my platform, my pews'. If I am a singular macrophage cell who has discovered poison in the blood stream, and want to point it out to the rest of the body, then I do the job which God created the macrophage for. If I don't do it, I show I have no purpose and the designer of the body will arrange to remove it.
What does Dom have as a definition of trouble maker? Do you Dom describe Jude as one instigating trouble?
Don, you aren't Jude.
What kind of attitude are you propagating here, when saying 'Pastor Doe does not need B Smith.' ? This attitude sucks, Dom.
No, the attitude is proper. Because it wasn't Pastor Doe who bounced B. Smith out on his head. It was B. Smith. He was the one who came out of left field, wanting to have a word-serving position. The Bible states in
Proverbs 18:16 your gift will make room for you. Therefore if you have the message everyone will know. My boy, you certainly don't have the message. Not by a long shot. Therefore Pastor Doe, and the elders don't have to leave the rest of the flock to babysit some self aggrandizing individual, who sees what he believes as the most important.
That Alexander the coppersmith has done me much harm, does not demonstrate the gift Paul had was making room for Paul. That Daniel's prayer was hindered for three weeks does not show the gift he had made room for him. That David was brought to Saul by his gift does not mean the gift was not working when Saul tried to kill him. Your comparisons suck. This again demonstrates your incomplete interpretive abilities. I regret being so dramatic saying so, because I do not usually do so, but I feel compelled to when smothered.
Dom don't be ridiculous and say B Smith's righteous desires are negated by Pastor Doe's unscriptural actions. No one should say this. You did not learn this from the Bible.
Certainly Pr18.16 is true but it is misapplied by your efforts to discredit the reason for this thread. Ro14 should be practiced by all, including by Pastor Doe. Any correct desires B Smith has to share the Word should have been encouraged. If error is seen in B Smith then they should have been guided by correction, not the boot. You don't throw the baby out the house when they accidentally say a swear word while learning to talk. They are instructed in the right way. You didn't learn the way you describe from good godly preachers but from those preachers who desire to lord's of God's heritage. Wake up! Resist!
The message I hear from most pulpits is that everyone in the church is invaluable.
Then maybe you shouldn't of left those pulpits? All saints are precious in God's sight. Sadly, not everyone is a saint. Some are satans. Individuals who have no patience, who see themselves as God's gift to the Church, and that everyone should be listening to them. When they sit in the pew, their only thought is that if they were in the pulpit then the sheep would really be fed.
Jesus has His own timing but the big mistake is that some individuals couldn't care less what the Holy Ghost wants to do.
Right Dom, absolutely right according to unbiblical thought. They told Paul through the Spirit not to go up to Jerusalem. Those prophets who told Paul that he shouldn't go to Jerusalem were wrong to do so, right Dom? What is revealed must be shared or it despises the Spirit. Those who receive from God must share what is revealed whether it is popular, or commonly known, or not. You again demonstrate weird interpretive abilities. Plz give us more, we who have been starved not having your kind of reasoning which is revealed here.
Sure some are actually satans, false brethren, but you have yet to demonstrate the reasoning used to present this thread, that it is of the devil. Is it because you don't have the ability the Spirit gives? Why the delay in proving it wrong when I've chided you much to do so. But go on, continue with presenting yourself as the big dog all should fear. You are gifted in this area and your gift has made room for you.
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