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Originally Posted by Jeremy
Side note: Dan (to a lessor extent) and Baron (to an almost unreadable extent), I know I am new here, and it seems this is a common contention here, but I would really like to say your arrogance and grand standing makes it seem like you are more interested in conflict than discussion. *Lets dance* *Sharpens iron* and phrases like that indicate to me that you are being cocky rather than sincerely trying to edify.
I hope that is not the case, as I think you guys are offering enlightening points of view and giving people some good points of reference to study. Why undo your work with needless and counterproductive hostility? Why ask pointed questions and try and trap people? It is an effective way to win an argument in in your own mind, (just look at the political analysts who use the same cheap, meaningless tactics.) and to people who agree with you, but will never accomplish anything real in changing opinions. Would it be so hard instead of saying "When are you forgiven? Huh, answer me, answer me, ANSWER ME!  WHEN ARE YOU FORGIVEN? ANSWER THAT!!!  to simply say "I believe based on _____ _:__ and _____ _:__ that forgiveness happens at repentance, and that the purpose of baptism and the infilling of the Holy Ghost is _______.  ?
I have been reading for two pages, and I know what you don't believe based on the general context of what you have said and not said, but have no clue what you DO believe./end rant |
I am way behind on this thread but being the narcissistic, arrogant schmuck that I am I wanted to respond to this before I took the time to catch up.
The point of the way I pressed the question was particularly important on this thread. If one insists that someone needs to be baptized for sins to be remitted/forgiven the first question that needs to be answered is "What happens at repentance?" since forgiveness and remission are exactly the same word in the Scripture and if forgiveness is given at repentance then nothing more needs to be done to remove the barrier between God and ones self. So it is very important that we answer that question first before we move on to answer what happens at Baptism.