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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
The writers of the Scriptures dictate the meaning ... not translators ...
they used one word for both forgivenes and remission ... aphesis.
There is no separation. You will not see this in the NIV, ESV, NASB or even in the Spanish RVA
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Wow. Is that true? I would say my core beliefs are what some of you call "three steppers". My understanding has been that repentance is telling God you are sorry for your sinful ways, which is a sort of death, but that remission comes when you are buried with him in baptism (this is when, by my understanding, the blood is applied to your life.) and that the Holy Ghost represents the final resurrection, to "rise and walk in newness of life" with God's spirit dwelling inside of you, directing you, and helping you overcome the world.
I have always thought that remission was a major part of this whole thing. Remission is strictly a new testament word and (as I understood it) concept. The Bible says without blood, there can be no remission. Is this the same word (aphesis) as forgiveness here too? is there ever any distinction between the two? If not there is a major reason for a lot of confusion.
Side note: Dan (to a lessor extent) and Baron (to an almost unreadable extent), I know I am new here, and it seems this is a common contention here, but I would really like to say your arrogance and grand standing makes it seem like you are more interested in conflict than discussion. *Lets dance* *Sharpens iron* and phrases like that indicate to me that you are being cocky rather than sincerely trying to edify.
I hope that is not the case, as I think you guys are offering enlightening points of view and giving people some good points of reference to study. Why undo your work with needless and counterproductive hostility? Why ask pointed questions and try and trap people? It is an effective way to win an argument in in your own mind, (just look at the political analysts who use the same cheap, meaningless tactics.) and to people who agree with you, but will never accomplish anything real in changing opinions. Would it be so hard instead of saying "When are you forgiven? Huh, answer me, answer me, ANSWER ME!
WHEN ARE YOU FORGIVEN? ANSWER THAT!!!
to simply say "I believe based on _____ _:__ and _____ _:__ that forgiveness happens at repentance, and that the purpose of baptism and the infilling of the Holy Ghost is _______.
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I have been reading for two pages, and I know what you don't believe based on the general context of what you have said and not said, but have no clue what you DO believe./end rant
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Firstly I have never claimed to be a 3-stepper. Acts 2:38 is the only way for men to be saved since Pentecost.
However Dan is correct sins are forgiven at repentance but not remitted until they are baptized in Jesus Name. |
I thought this too, which is why I want to know more about what Dan said about the two words being the same.
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
I realize both forgiveness and remission comes from the same Greek word and both are purchased by His blood yet NOT the same in functions and experience.
ONLY in baptism in Jesus Name are the sins of the penitent remitted.
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Could you expound on the difference between the English words is they are both from the same Greek word? I am not sure how this can be.
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Originally Posted by Ferd
cursador for silliness alert!!!!!!
Hey everybody look at danA! he needs you all to bow to his desire to make us all into baptists!
yea danA!
snort
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See Dan? There is no need for needless posts like this one. This person ignores your content because he sees you as being an attention whore due to your sarcasm. Be nice about things! lol.
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Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams
Here we go. There was a little girl who went out to play in her brand new dress. She saw a mud puddle and thought "Why not?" and jumped right in. She got her dress filthy. Realizing the wrong she had done, she went to her father in tears of true remorse, saying "Daddy please forgive me!"(repentance). Her dad's heart melts and he says "I forgive you."(forgiveness of sin). She is forgiven and won't be punished, but her dress is still filthy and is not presentable. Her dad would still be ashamed of her in public. Her dad then washes the dress with a healthy dose of spray-n-wash(baptism), and the dress comes out sparkling clean(remission of sin). He then plants a device in the dress(Spirit) that sounds an audible and visible alarm whenever she goes near the mud again(power over sin).
Repentance= forgiveness of sin
Water Baptism in Jesus' Name= remission(washing away) of sin
Holy Spirit Baptism= power over sin
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If I am understanding all of this, and I doubt I am, I think the bolded part of your story is where the problem is. Will she, or won't she be punished due to her forgiveness or lack thereof.
Find a different forum man.
Your clueless.
Is he? He seems pretty educated to me.
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
In this verse, the words are different both in the English AND the Greek. Is there a difference or not?
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I looked it up on a cool web site I found while going through this thread and they are in fact different Greek words. Thanks for pointing this out. The definitions still seem rather ambiguous though as far as discerning one from the other as being significantly different.
Check it out.
http://scripturetext.com/luke/24-47.htm
I am at the top of page 7, and I simply can not go any more. Sometimes, I literally get angry that all of this is so complicated.
It usually provokes utter apathy for the entire thing. I honestly wonder if anyone has the right answers and then I wonder how much longer I can continue to care. the more I try to learn, the more I realize that certain knowledge when it comes to this Bible thing is fairly nonexistent.
*Sigh* I think I am going to go shoot some Aliens in Halo 3 where the good guys and bad guys are more easily defined.
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