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Old 10-17-2010, 11:17 PM
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Contradictory Pentecostal Messages

We have a man in our church that loves to yell. He is very very VERY loud and I have seen visitors literally scared to death once he starts. He's been asked to tone it down or to move to the front away from visitors...

How confusing it must be then to have an evangelist come through and preach a message on how God is pleased with loud noise.

We create the "loud" atmosphere and yet are disappointed when it's too loud

Same with all the running and jumping. The kids see all that and hear all that and then we wonder why it's so hard to keep the kids disciplined in church.

Should we really focus so much on quantity, volume or "cutting loose" physically? If that is how it has to be then why don't the same preachers scream and run non-stop during their personal prayers?
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Old 10-17-2010, 11:25 PM
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Re: Contradictory Pentecostal Messages

I've heard it preached that if you don't do something in your personal prayer time, you shouldn't do it in church.

(TIC) Does that mean that if I sleep through prayer, I can sleep in church?
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We have a man in our church that loves to yell. He is very very VERY loud and I have seen visitors literally scared to death once he starts. He's been asked to tone it down or to move to the front away from visitors...

How confusing it must be then to have an evangelist come through and preach a message on how God is pleased with loud noise.

We create the "loud" atmosphere and yet are disappointed when it's too loud

Same with all the running and jumping. The kids see all that and hear all that and then we wonder why it's so hard to keep the kids disciplined in church.

Should we really focus so much on quantity, volume or "cutting loose" physically? If that is how it has to be then why don't the same preachers scream and run non-stop during their personal prayers?

Sigh. Yet another pentecostal-bashing thread. Sigh.
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Old 10-18-2010, 12:35 AM
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Re: Contradictory Pentecostal Messages

I preached in a church recently in Ca...it was loud enough to make your ears slightly numb.....seriously.

The prayer time was explosive with folks crying, shouting dancing, and making a scene...and then church started and made the prayer time seem quiet...

but no one seemed to mind...it was not out of order, and the Power of God was so thick you could just about cut it with a knife...

Folks were praying through, being delivered, being blessed....i loved every minute of it.
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Old 10-18-2010, 08:05 AM
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Re: Contradictory Pentecostal Messages

In loud services, where the object is to worship the Lord with shouting, dancing (?), running over the pews, etc. and the word of God is not being offered up for the edification of the individual, I simply tune everyone out, find a 'safe' place, and engage my Lord in conversation and worship.

I find nothing 'wrong' with running, jumping, dancing, shouting, crying, etc. etc. My problem is that when these acts are the required norm, reflecting a performance based religion, and the accompanying judgments that if one is not doing these things, they are not worshiping the Lord, or that their worship is not acceptable unto the Lord.There are times and places where such activities are appropriate.

Yet, for me, personally, I look at Jesus and Paul teaching in the Temple, in Synagogues, in people's homes, in the country side and on boats, and studying Paul's instructions to the assembly in Corinth, I do not find the so-called modern-day Apostolic worship style" to be the 'Apostolic norm' for the first century apostles.

Even king David, should he dance in church today as it was reported he danced in the streets of Jerusalem before the young women (not in the Temple!), he would be cited for showing too much skin, acting in a provocative manner, and breaking church standards of holiness. He would be 'sat down' for backsliding, but then again, he was no priest and had no official function in the Temple or its services.

What most folks today are questing are the religious traditions that we have developed in such a short period of time (less than 100 years). After Acts 2:38, Trinitarians are in spiritual trouble, and church standards, there is precious little Apostolic teaching that goes on in today's churches. Ask a pastor or Bible teacher,"What did Matthew, Mark, John, Matthias, Peter, Bartholomew, and the rest of the apostles teach in the churches they established and/or visited?

The Apostle's doctrines (teaching) - what were they? Very few can answer that question correctly, and most have no idea where to look in the scriptures to find the answer. They go to some of the letters of Paul, where he was responding to questions and/or addressing problems within a church, and they teach only those things as being the summation of the apostolic doctrines.And, we wonder why the church has become so infective in challenging today's society and cultural trends!

Pastor bashing, church bashing, apostolic bashing, organizational bashing, saint bashing, etc. We have become the Church of the Holy Feel Good. We no longer go to church not to learn the ways of God, but justify ourselves in our own eyes. While there is yet time, the oneness movement, nay, the entire western Christian church movement, is very close to the tipping point to where the lament of Christ shall have its fulfillment, While we have joined together for a religious party, to recapture an experience. We, as a movement, remain in a spiritual Kindergarten, playing religious games, asking Him to do for us what He as ordained that we should be doing for ourselves and others - even outside of the church.

See:

Luke 18:7-14 Emphasis on verse 8 & the following parable. and,
John 14:12 Spiritual authority
Acts 1:8 Power available to exercise that authority

But, what do we get the most of? Religious platitudes and a lot of 1Tim 1:7 teaching, and very little of Hebrew 6 (All), with initial emphasis on verses 1-3.

Sorry kids - venting again. I'll shut up now.
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We have a man in our church that loves to yell. He is very very VERY loud and I have seen visitors literally scared to death once he starts. He's been asked to tone it down or to move to the front away from visitors...

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Literally scared to death. How much of their estates went to the church?

We have seen stiffness in churches that represents rigor mortis.
I don't think they were dead.
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We have a man in our church that loves to yell. He is very very VERY loud and I have seen visitors literally scared to death once he starts. He's been asked to tone it down or to move to the front away from visitors...

How confusing it must be then to have an evangelist come through and preach a message on how God is pleased with loud noise.

We create the "loud" atmosphere and yet are disappointed when it's too loud

Same with all the running and jumping. The kids see all that and hear all that and then we wonder why it's so hard to keep the kids disciplined in church.

Should we really focus so much on quantity, volume or "cutting loose" physically? If that is how it has to be then why don't the same preachers scream and run non-stop during their personal prayers?
It was super confusing to me when I was a kid. There would be all these messages on shouting, not being a dull dead church, etc. and us pre-teen girls would "shout" and then later get reprimanded by our parents for causing too much of a ruckus, or not stopping and going back to our seat when the service was winding down. But all the messages said you shouldn't stop until the spirit leaves and we could still 'feel' whatever was making us shout... I dunno, it was really confusing. When I got older (teenager) I decided I'd rather ignore the spirit and the sermons about shouting than get in trouble later and made it a point to stay in my pew and not do anything. Then I was in trouble for not "really getting in to church".
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