|
Tab Menu 1
| Fellowship Hall The place to go for Fellowship & Fun! |
 |
|
02-21-2008, 07:11 PM
|
 |
Go Dodgers!
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 45,794
|
|
|
FCF was anti-Apostolic?
I remember at FCF they posted an article by Robert Sabin where he denied Tongues was necessary for salvation (the baptism of the Holy Ghost)....they posted it and said "discuss"...and some came OUT in fact in favor of RS's view...
I did not see a concerted effort by Cons to leave because the forum was going liberal and tearing down everything "apostolic"...instead I saw great conservative and moderate men (I include myself in there haha) standing up AGAINST that view point.
whatever is happening...or whatever the excuses given are....they in my opinion are sadly misplaced.
__________________
Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
|
02-21-2008, 07:52 PM
|
 |
Administrator
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 16,848
|
|
|
Re: FCF was anti-Apostolic?
Prax,
In the past the premise of all of these forums was that they were based on the perspective of orthodox old time Oneness Pentecostalsim. From that basis all discussion flowed including some limited discussion of the role of Acts 2:38 in salvation as it related to what we came to call the PAJC "3 stepper" view vs. the PCI view.
I think the problem with AFF was that a group of brash liberal posters showed up who did not understand or care about the perpsective of the forum and proceeded to attack pretty much all of the orthodox OP views in a belittling manner.
I have always considered myself a guest on these forums. One who is here with a different perspective than the forum is based on and from that seat I have always tried to contend for my views and beliefs but with care to try and not offend as best I can.
I have had the feeling that some of the newer libs take great pleasure in attacking "sacred cows". It seems almost sport for them to make orthodox OP's angry and to offend them. Now we are reaping this despicable practice.
|
02-21-2008, 08:13 PM
|
 |
Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,197
|
|
|
Re: FCF was anti-Apostolic?
Quote:
Originally Posted by CC1
Prax,
I have always considered myself a guest on these forums. One who is here with a different perspective than the forum is based on and from that seat I have always tried to contend for my views and beliefs but with care to try and not offend as best I can.
.
|
But where is the evidence for this??
__________________
"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
|
02-21-2008, 08:10 PM
|
|
Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,197
|
|
|
Re: FCF was anti-Apostolic?
CC1, Those that take great pleasure in offending are hopefully rare.
That being said, I think it is incumbent on those who are strong in the faith, as Oneness Pentecostals, but do not share a three-step view of justification, to speak up and let their voices be heard. They are not the red headed stepchild (sorry!  )
Bro French has documented 23 an possibly as high as 30 million Oneness Pentecostals on earth today. The three stepper perspective is quite likely a minority position among Oneness Pentecostals today.
Personally, I do not view the "PCI" Christians as anything other than what they are. Oneness Pentecostal Christian brethren.
__________________
"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
|
02-21-2008, 09:05 PM
|
 |
Jesus' Name Pentecostal
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: near Cincinnati, Ohio
Posts: 17,805
|
|
|
Re: FCF was anti-Apostolic?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
...
Bro French has documented 23 an possibly as high as 30 million Oneness Pentecostals on earth today. The three stepper perspective is quite likely a minority position among Oneness Pentecostals today.
...
|
Where can that information be found?
__________________
Sam also known as Jim Ellis
Apostolic in doctrine
Pentecostal in experience
Charismatic in practice
Non-denominational in affiliation
Inter-denominational in fellowship
|
02-21-2008, 09:17 PM
|
|
Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,197
|
|
|
Re: FCF was anti-Apostolic?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam
Where can that information be found?
|
http://www.pentecostalpublishing.com...507&ptc=PPH123
__________________
"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
|
02-21-2008, 09:51 PM
|
|
Jesus' Name Pentecostal
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: near Cincinnati, Ohio
Posts: 17,805
|
|
|
Re: FCF was anti-Apostolic?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
|
thank you,
I have ordered a copy of the book
__________________
Sam also known as Jim Ellis
Apostolic in doctrine
Pentecostal in experience
Charismatic in practice
Non-denominational in affiliation
Inter-denominational in fellowship
|
02-21-2008, 09:17 PM
|
 |
the ultracon
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: smack dab in da middle
Posts: 4,443
|
|
|
Re: FCF was anti-Apostolic?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam
Where can that information be found?
|
I have read this before sam.
One author said of all the people that have experiencd the infilling of the spirit and spoken in tongues only about 1 % of them taught that it was essential to salvation.
__________________
God has lavished his love upon me.
|
02-21-2008, 09:30 PM
|
|
Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,197
|
|
|
Re: FCF was anti-Apostolic?
Quote:
Originally Posted by freeatlast
I have read this before sam.
One author said of all the people that have experiencd the infilling of the spirit and spoken in tongues only about 1 % of them taught that it was essential to salvation.
|
Do you mean among OP's? I would think it may be considerably higher among OP then non-OP.
__________________
"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
|
02-21-2008, 09:34 PM
|
|
Jesus' Name Pentecostal
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: near Cincinnati, Ohio
Posts: 17,805
|
|
|
Re: FCF was anti-Apostolic?
Quote:
Originally Posted by freeatlast
I have read this before sam.
One author said of all the people that have experiencd the infilling of the spirit and spoken in tongues only about 1 % of them taught that it was essential to salvation.
|
The numbers I've seen quoted for Pentecostal/Charismatic Christians were between 4 and 6 hundred million. I've seen the 500 million number used on more than one occasion. That would include people in denominational churches who speak with tongues and people in Pentecostal denominations who believe in speaking with tongues but may not have personally experienced it.
__________________
Sam also known as Jim Ellis
Apostolic in doctrine
Pentecostal in experience
Charismatic in practice
Non-denominational in affiliation
Inter-denominational in fellowship
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
|
|
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:37 PM.
| |
Hybrid Mode
