Let me start a thread that is a continuation of a topic started under the Arcovio prophet thread. Points being made about hearing the voice of God, words of wisdom being given to someone, prophecy, etc.
My main point (in discussion with Timmy now) is that if I am blessed enough to receive a "Word" from God that comes from another individual, then I do expect I will receive some additional confirmation... such as a quickening of the Holy Spirit.
However, if I don't feel the unction of the Holy Ghost as a witness to what is being said to me, or prophesied over me... that doesn't automatically make the prophecy wrong. When I read the Bible and see how God spoke directly to men and women, it appears that He clearly got his point across:
Jonah didn't seem confused about going to Ninevah... and interestly enough, nobody came and told Jonah they had heard from God and he was supposed to go to Ninevah. I actually can't think of any examples in the Bible where God told another man to relocate or move to another city, by using a prophet, saint, or human being.
Got scripture for that "confirmation" you like to get?
As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him. 1 John 2:27 ESV
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him. 1 John 2:27 ESV
Who is he talking to?
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If the example of Jonah was supposed to show that God speaks directly to people, and not through others, well, that's just one example. There are many cases of a prophet passing God's message along to others, usually large groups of people, and expecting them to accept it (and not often, if ever, are they expected to get a confirmation before they believe it).
Paul, though, in 1 Corinthians 14:37 is expecting others who think they have spiritual powers to acknowledge that he is passing along commands on from God. Bit of a taunt, maybe? So, perhaps this is an example of that confirmation you mention (as I asked about in my previous post). But it certainly isn't the norm. Most often, a prophet just expects everyone to believe him.
Sometimes, signs and wonders are supposed to give support to a prophet's claims. Aaron's rod turning into a snake. Elijah putting the prophets of Baal in their place. But, alas, false prophets also perform signs and wonders. We are not really told what to do with dilemma. (Unless you think 1 John 4:2-3 comes to the rescue.)
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. . . But, alas, false prophets also perform signs and wonders. We are not really told what to do with dilemma. (Unless you think 1 John 4:2-3 comes to the rescue.)
Oh, and as in Aaron's case, the more impressive the sign, the more likely it is genuinely from God. I guess. When Pharaoh's magicians duplicated Aaron's trick, well, Aaron's serpent just gobbled up all of the magicians' serpents. Voila! Had to be God!
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I'd like to get some comments on this exchange (from that other thread):
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. . .oh, and it is okay to say "No" if you don't believe that is the voice of God. . . .
This statement is profound. More profound than you know, probably. And I agree with it, more profoundly than you are likely comfortable with!
Yes, of course it is okay! Any purported message from God is subject to scrutiny. And that applies to messages given to today's prophets and relayed to me (or anyone) orally, or written (I got a purportedly inspired letter from a friend, once). If it's written, it doesn't matter how long ago it was written, or what language it was written in, or what its intended audience was, or how many people over the centuries have gotten "confirmations" that it's really from God.
Just sayin'.
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I'd like to get some comments on this exchange (from that other thread):
Life is extremely busy, so I am not always the best at getting back to replies. However, I really do enjoy the interaction... so thanks for the patience, and comments.
Of course it is okay!
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. . .oh, and it is okay to say "No" if you don't believe that is the voice of God. . . .
This statement is profound. More profound than you know, probably. And I agree with it, more profoundly than you are likely comfortable with!
Yes, of course it is okay! Any purported message from God is subject to scrutiny. And that applies to messages given to today's prophets and relayed to me (or anyone) orally, or written (I got a purportedly inspired letter from a friend, once). If it's written, it doesn't matter how long ago it was written, or what language it was written in, or what its intended audience was, or how many people over the centuries have gotten "confirmations" that it's really from God.
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I agree it is profound, all though that wasn't my point. But we can certainly discuss it further....
For a human being to say they have had "GOD SPEAK TO THEM" is an extremely arrogant statement. Now before someone's blood pressure walks on streets of gold, let me state that I do believe God speaks to people. It is just that arrogance and pride is soooo natural, that of course we want to believe that God spoke to us!
Many times in the Bible, the news that God spoke wasn't all that exciting and happy for the person who received it. Cain, David, and Peter come to mind.. Somewhat different from a lot of the prophetic utterances that get thrown out there.
Those I have believed... well, what comes to mind is a person who is extremely humble in making that statement, maybe even somewhat terrified that they might be wrong.
Timmy, how does one actually define 100% clear that it is the voice of God? I don't have an answer for that... maybe its a faith thing... one should give liberty expecting to hear God speak to you in a special way. When it happens, I would expect it to be a WOW thing that you are certain was from God. I doubt it will glorify you or the individual giving you the "word", and most likely you might be the only one to know it was something special for you. If there is any glory, I would expect it unquestionably go to God.
Which brings me back to expecting confirmation from the Holy Ghost on whether or not this is right... or what is happening is right. Maybe others think it is correct, but I am not them... and so I must ask "God, is this from you?"
Let me start a thread that is a continuation of a topic started under the Arcovio prophet thread. Points being made about hearing the voice of God, words of wisdom being given to someone, prophecy, etc.
My main point (in discussion with Timmy now) is that if I am blessed enough to receive a "Word" from God that comes from another individual, then I do expect I will receive some additional confirmation... such as a quickening of the Holy Spirit.
However, if I don't feel the unction of the Holy Ghost as a witness to what is being said to me, or prophesied over me... that doesn't automatically make the prophecy wrong. When I read the Bible and see how God spoke directly to men and women, it appears that He clearly got his point across:
Jonah didn't seem confused about going to Ninevah... and interestly enough, nobody came and told Jonah they had heard from God and he was supposed to go to Ninevah. I actually can't think of any examples in the Bible where God told another man to relocate or move to another city, by using a prophet, saint, or human being.
Maybe not in the bible, but it sure seems to happen a lot in the church(UPC) today! OK, at least it seemed to happen a lot 20+ years ago....
(Usually the message was "you must stay!" when someone was planning on leaving.)
Maybe not in the bible, but it sure seems to happen a lot in the church(UPC) today! OK, at least it seemed to happen a lot 20+ years ago....
(Usually the message was "you must stay!" when someone was planning on leaving.)
That inspired letter from a friend was about this very thing. We were considering moving away, and God told us... uh, ... well, actually, God wasn't real clear in that letter, one way or the other. (His grammar and spelling weren't very good, either.)
We ended up moving, but I'm still not sure if we were obedient or not.
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