Divorce - Adultery Thread

Rhoni · #1 05-18-2008, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OP_Carl

I think you're on to something here. Women have really been pushing the envelope ever since the eruption of the feminist movement in the '60s. Women at large have been dragged slightly in the direction of the radicalized fringe, because the fringe sets the dialoge and tugs on the mainstream. Men have largely been set adrift during this time, some have learned how to (cynically) benefit from the new, liberated version of females, but most have been victims of the new paradigms in family law. In short, women have further to travel to come home to a biblical worldview for a woman's calling. Most women today have an exceedingly difficult time extracting themselves from the feminism because it has so diffused into our culture.

Yes, let's talk about family law that would burden a woman with all the children of the marriage union being dissolved with little to no child support that may or may not get paid forcing her into poverty, and having to work a minimum wage job, and go on food stamps while the High Priest of the home is out dating and having the time of his life: no wife, no kids, and no responsibility.

I do agree that men and women do not know their place due to war, and women have to go into the workplace to support their families, and wear pants to be more appropriately and modestly dressed to work in factories and such. And the men lost their control on the family when the woman had to support, discipline, and teach the children.

Furthermore, men have enjoyed letting their wives work so they can have off to go to campmeetings, preach in foreign countries, and let the local church take care of their families.

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Originally Posted by O_Carl

I was not implying or inferring either. What I got out of it was that you had a brief period during which you were evangelistic about large families. 99.9% of the women I have ever spoken to, no matter their religious affiliation, are rabidly defensive about their birth control. Even if they consider themselves "surrendered to God's will" in every other area of their lives. If you tell them they should have more babies, they are ready to take up arms and stage a one-woman shouting mob "civil rights" protest in the style of the best of the radical women's lib and planned parenthood activists.

Let's see how many men, in the same position as women, would enjoy spending their young years; pregnant, overweight, bloated, nausiated, exhausted, with gestational diabetes, and have their men tell them how beautiful other women are, as they clean house, wash, clothe, and feed a small army while the husbands wages aren't enough to feed two much less 7-10. Of course, in her spare time she can sew and make all her children's clothing, and go out and kill deer or alligators to make them shoes.

"Submission my eye"!

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Originally Posted by cneasttx

As a woman that birthed 9 babies I will tell any man that wants a LARGE family, DO IT YOUR SELF!!!!!!!!

AMEN

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Originally Posted by nahkoe

Hah!

And as a woman who's birthed 4 babies, I'd love to have a few more. Any single guys out there want a really big family(hey, I'd be happy to stay at 4 if I must...)? lol

I know for a fact I'm not going to attempt to raise 5 kids by myself, 4 is really more than I can do.

Since more than 50% of first mariages end in divorce and an even higher percentage of 2nd marriages...chances are, Apostolic or not...the woman will be raising them by herself.

Just thought I'd add my $.02 since I have so many avid fans on this particular thread!

Blessings, Rhoni

OP_Carl · #2 05-18-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhoni

There were only two Apostolic young people in our local High School. I was a freshman and the young man was a senior. At church he was always wanted to date me, but at school he was too embarassed to even say hello in the hallway since I was the only girl with a dress to my knees and my hair piled up in a bun on my head. There are very few outward evidences of men's separation as compared to women. Bro. OP here is talking about extremes not the norm.

The way I see it, you are too. Unless I misunderstand what you are saying.

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Yes, let's talk about family law that would burden a woman with all the children of the marriage union being dissolved with little to no child support that may or may not get paid forcing her into poverty, and having to work a minimum wage job, and go on food stamps while the High Priest of the home is out dating and having the time of his life: no wife, no kids, and no responsibility.

And do you even have an inkling what brought all of this upon our dear American society?

No-fault divorce law. There is no way you're going to drag me into this particular corner of your fantasy world. When a man with children gets divorced, he is completely at the mercy of his ex-wife. All it takes is a few little white lies and the police are there enforcing restraining orders, limiting custody and eliminating visitation. A woman can set the full spectrum of government machinery into motion against an ex-husband if she so desires, and their policies are to act first and worry about proof and probable cause later. A man is guilty of whatever the woman says he is guilty of until he is proven innocent. I have been very close to 3 cases like this. In one, the woman got tired of having to drive to the halfway point for visitation, so she lied about the man's treatment of the kids so the court would restrict his visitation rights and place the burden on him to make the full trip.

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Let's see how many men, in the same position as women, would enjoy spending their young years; pregnant, overweight, bloated, nausiated, exhausted, with gestational diabetes, and have their men tell them how beautiful other women are, as they clean house, wash, clothe, and feed a small army while the husbands wages aren't enough to feed two much less 7-10. Of course, in her spare time she can sew and make all her children's clothing, and go out and kill deer or alligators to make them shoes.

"Submission my eye"!

Sour grapes?
This is largely an American phenomenon, the belief that people can get through their lives with a minimum of inconvenience, much less suffering. It's a shame how late in life some people end up accepting that it isn't God's plan for people, even the righteous, to go through their entire lives without hardship. Without hardship, faith is unproved. Proverbs 31 shows what a woman can do to gain esteem in her husband's eyes.

There is also much to be said for training girls in the art of the husband selection process.

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You talking to me?

Are you waving your blessigns?

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Since more than 50% of first mariages end in divorce and an even higher percentage of 2nd marriages...chances are, Apostolic or not...the woman will be raising them by herself.

What is your source for this, Rhoni? I thought the accepted notion was 50% of ALL marriages, and that something along the line of 30% - 40% of FIRST marriages end in divorce. I think that the official party line is considerably bleaker than the true numbers revealed by some recent studies. First marriages in the church have a much better chance than those not in church, or second or third marriages.

Cindy · #3 05-19-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by nahkoe

I really hope you mean I might find a spouse, not I might raise 5 kids alone. lol

And, why would moving to Texas increase the chances of this? Now you have me curious.

It seems to be the norm in some parts of Texas now an upswing in large families. And yes I did mean I hope you find a very loving husband. And remember just because a man is wearing boots and a hat doesn't mean he's a true cowboy.

Encryptus · #4 05-19-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cneasttx

It seems to be the norm in some parts of Texas now an upswing in large families. And yes I did mean I hope you find a very loving husband. And remember just because a man is wearing boots and a hat doesn't mean he's a true cowboy.

Helps improve the odds if you speak Spanish though

nahkoe · #5 05-19-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Encryptus

Helps improve the odds if you speak Spanish though

I used to, does that count? lol (spent a few weeks in Mexico when I was 18, understood well enough to translate btwn English and Spanish..oh the things a person can forget in a few years tho...lol)

I've taken half a semester of college Spanish now. Will be taking a 5 credit Spanish class after I move too, or I think at least.

Rico · #6 05-19-2008, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by nahkoe

I used to, does that count? lol (spent a few weeks in Mexico when I was 18, understood well enough to translate btwn English and Spanish..oh the things a person can forget in a few years tho...lol)

I've taken half a semester of college Spanish now. Will be taking a 5 credit Spanish class after I move too, or I think at least.

Well, when it comes to, "Hey babe! I think you are one hot momma!", and, "All right, Big Daddy!", ya don't need words to make yer point!

Love don't need no stinkin words!!

nahkoe · #7 05-19-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by cneasttx

It seems to be the norm in some parts of Texas now an upswing in large families. And yes I did mean I hope you find a very loving husband. And remember just because a man is wearing boots and a hat doesn't mean he's a true cowboy.

I grew up around those sort of non-cowboys, and the real ones too.

I think I can sort that much out. lol

A loving husband...would be interesting. I think I could handle that.

Cindy · #8 05-19-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by nahkoe

I grew up around those sort of non-cowboys, and the real ones too.

I think I can sort that much out. lol

A loving husband...would be interesting. I think I could handle that.

In the Baptist church one of my kids and his family attend they really stress the importance of biblical families where Jesus is the head of the family.