Simply put, if a person receives Christ, repents and is filled with the Holy Spirit on a Sunday evening and decides to wait until Wednesday evening to be baptized for whatever reason, yet dies on Monday evening, without be water baptized, is he/she saved or lost and why?
some of us believe that you are not saved without baptism in the name of Jesus. period.
some of us believe that Baptism is a profession of faith in Christ, and is a public statment of the salvation recieved at repentance.
others believe that a person who comes to christ, recieves the HG but dies before being baptized would be saved but if they refused baptism they would not be saved.
in all the above cases some of us believe that Jesus name baptism is the ONLY effectual form of baptism, some of us believe Jesus name baptism is "more biblical" but do not believe that it is exclusive.
Others believe that baptism in either Jesus name or the titles are on equal footing.
Did I leave anything out?
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some of us believe that you are not saved without baptism in the name of Jesus. period.
some of us believe that Baptism is a profession of faith in Christ, and is a public statment of the salvation recieved at repentance.
others believe that a person who comes to christ, recieves the HG but dies before being baptized would be saved but if they refused baptism they would not be saved.
in all the above cases some of us believe that Jesus name baptism is the ONLY effectual form of baptism, some of us believe Jesus name baptism is "more biblical" but do not believe that it is exclusive.
Others believe that baptism in either Jesus name or the titles are on equal footing.
Did I leave anything out?
A good cliff notes version.
How about the links to the discussion in question.
Post the one stepper vs three steeper thread, there is about three weeks of reading there!
some of us believe that you are not saved without baptism in the name of Jesus. period.
some of us believe that Baptism is a profession of faith in Christ, and is a public statment of the salvation recieved at repentance.
others believe that a person who comes to christ, recieves the HG but dies before being baptized would be saved but if they refused baptism they would not be saved.
in all the above cases some of us believe that Jesus name baptism is the ONLY effectual form of baptism, some of us believe Jesus name baptism is "more biblical" but do not believe that it is exclusive.
Others believe that baptism in either Jesus name or the titles are on equal footing.
Did I leave anything out?
Yes. Some believe that you must be baptized "in the name of the Lord Jesus", others "in the name of Jesus" and still others "in the name of Jesus Christ". Or pick your combination. Some will be adamant that to be baptized in ANY other way is a one-way ticket to hell.
Yes. Some believe that you must be baptized "in the name of the Lord Jesus", others "in the name of Jesus" and still others "in the name of Jesus Christ". Or pick your combination. Some will be adamant that to be baptized in ANY other way is a one-way ticket to hell.
I baptize you in the name the Father Son and Holy Ghost, the name of Jesus, our Lord Jesus Christ, in the name of Jesus Christ.
some of us believe that you are not saved without baptism in the name of Jesus. period.
some of us believe that Baptism is a profession of faith in Christ, and is a public statment of the salvation recieved at repentance.
others believe that a person who comes to christ, recieves the HG but dies before being baptized would be saved but if they refused baptism they would not be saved.
in all the above cases some of us believe that Jesus name baptism is the ONLY effectual form of baptism, some of us believe Jesus name baptism is "more biblical" but do not believe that it is exclusive.
Others believe that baptism in either Jesus name or the titles are on equal footing.
Did I leave anything out?
Yes you did. You left out someone who believes that a person who INTENDS TO BE BAPTIZED, but dies before having a chance to do so, is considered baptized since God counts those things that are not as though they were in such cases.
Something else to ponder... what if God also knows if someone WOULD be obedient to baptism IF they were preached it by someone with WISDOM, and not hammered, but never were?
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Yes you did. You left out someone who believes that a person who INTENDS TO BE BAPTIZED, but dies before having a chance to do so, is considered baptized since God counts those things that are not as though they were in such cases.
Something else to ponder... what if God also knows if someone WOULD be obedient to baptism IF they were preached it by someone with WISDOM, and not hammered, but never were?
We could also draw this a little farther out and say that what if God also knows if someone WOULD be obedient to REPENTANCE IF they were preached it by someone with WISDOM, and not hammered, but never were?
Hybrid Mode
