A Few of the Great Hell Sermons from History

[crakjak]

Modern day hellfire preachers are softies, listen to some from the past, what a great doctrine of the church!

JONATHAN EDWARDS
The sight of hell torments will exalt the happiness of the saints forever. . .Can the believing father in Heaven be happy with his unbelieving children in Hell. . . I tell you, yea! Such will be his sense of justice that it will increase rather than diminish his bliss.
["The Eternity of Hell Torments" (Sermon), April 1739 & Discourses on Various Important Subjects, 1738]

Jeremy Taylor of the Church of England"The bodies of the damned shall be crowded together in hell, like grapes in a wine-press, which press one another till they burst; every distinct sense and organ shall be assailed with its own appropriate and most exquisite sufferings."“Husbands shall see their wives, parents shall see their children tormented before their eyes…the bodies of the damned shall be crowded together in hell like grapes in a wine-press, which press on another till they burst…”“This temporal fire is but a painted fire in respect of that penetrating and real fire in hell.”

Nieremberg 1658
“We are amazed at the inhumanity of Phalaris, who roasted men in his brazen bull; this was joy in respect of the fire of hell, which penetrates the very entrails without consuming them.” Pains of Hell

Francis De Sales 1622
“Represent to yourself a dark city all burning and stinking with fire and brimstone. The damned are in the depth of hell within this woful city, where they suffer unspeakable torments in all their senses and members. Consider above all the eternity of their pains, which above all things makes hell intolerable.” Garden of the Soul.

Barrow
“Our bodies will be afflicted continually by the sulphureous flame, piercing the inmost sinews.”

John Bunyan 1688
“Their bodies will be raised from the dead as vessels for the soul—vessels of wrath. The soul will breathe hell-fire, and smoke and coal will seem to hang upon its burning lips, yea the face, eyes, and ears will seem to be chimneys and vents for the flame, and the smoke of the burning , which God, by His breath, hath kindled therein, and upon, them, which will be held one in another, to the great torment and distress of each other.” Works, ii 136.

Baxter 1691
“Is it an intolerable thing to burn part of thy body by holding it in the fire? What then will it be to suffer ten thousand times more for ever in hell?” Saints Rest

South 1716 “Every lash which God then gives the sinner shall be with a scorpion, every pain which He inflicts shall be more eager than appetite, more cruel than revenge; every faculty both of soul and body shall have its distinct property, and peculiar torment applied to it, and be directly struck there where it has the quickest, the sharpest, and the tenderest sense of any painful impression…But I shall use no other argument to evince the greatness of their torment but only this, that the devil shall be the instrument of their execution. And surely a mortal enemy will be a dreadful executioner; and the punishment which an infinite justice inflicts by the hands of a implacable malice must needs be intolerable.” Sermons, vii. 143

Thomas Boston, Scottish preacher, 1732
“God will hold sinners with one hand over the pit of hell, while He torments them with the other.” Fourfold State."God shall not pity them but laugh at their calamity. The righteous company in heaven shall rejoice in the execution of God's judgment, and shall sing while the smoke riseth up for ever."

[Raven]

Very gruesome my friend. I get the feeling sometimes that some are glad that people are going to Hell and will be upset at God if they don't. I pray that the Spirit of Truth will run a check on all of our hearts and reveal what "spirit" we are guided by.

Raven

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Raven

Very gruesome my friend. I get the feeling sometimes that some are glad that people are going to Hell and will be upset at God if they don't. I pray that the Spirit of Truth will run a check on all of our hearts and reveal what "spirit" we are guided by.

Raven

Hello, my friend,

You are exactly right, Jesus rebuked the apostles for wanting to call down fire on some that did not line up, and His words were, "...you do not know what spirit you are of..."

Just reading those words grieves the every heart that is shaped like Jesus'!

Great to hear from you, blessings to you and all your family.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Raven

Very gruesome my friend. I get the feeling sometimes that some are glad that people are going to Hell and will be upset at God if they don't. I pray that the Spirit of Truth will run a check on all of our hearts and reveal what "spirit" we are guided by.

Raven

How will the URs feel....if they indeed make it to heaven, only to find out that all the nasty stuff they said about God....the God of the bible that DOES in fact allow the unbelievers to perish in hell? Will they demand God send them away rather than spend an Eternity with such a monster (their words)?

Again I have to remind us, what matters is what GOD'S word SAYS on the matter. Not emotive posturing. Not philosophical musings. When a person defines their God by such devices they are infact creating a false god made in their own image.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

How will the URs feel....if they indeed make it to heaven, only to find out that all the nasty stuff they said about God....the God of the bible that DOES in fact allow the unbelievers to perish in hell? Will they demand God send them away rather than spend an Eternity with such a monster (their words)?

Again I have to remind us, what matters is what GOD'S word SAYS on the matter. Not emotive posturing. Not philosophical musings. When a person defines their God by such devices they are infact creating a false god made in their own image.

God's Word in the ancient Hebrew, Aramiac, and Greek... or God's Word in Latin?

Good points. I don't see any issue with God appearing brutal. Even to burn someone in Hell for a thousand years for sins committed over a span of only 50 years is brutal. For me the issue is... who wins. Satan's goal is to alientate creation from God. If Satan alienates 90% of creation from God... technically he succeeded in his goal. Christ died to save all of humanity. If only 10% of humanity is "saved", Jesus fell tragically short of his goal. And the winner is... Satan.

Colossians 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

The Bible states that God will reconcile all things to himself. Will he? Yes or no?

I'm not totally convinced of UR teaching. However, I see how it provides the ultimate victory against sin and Satan. It also demonstrates a love for all humanity that trancends judgmentalism and strife.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

God's Word in the ancient Hebrew, Aramiac, and Greek... or God's Word in Latin?

Good points. I don't see any issue with God appearing brutal. Even to burn someone in Hell for a thousand years for sins committed over a span of only 50 years is brutal. For me the issue is... who wins. Satan's goal is to alientate creation from God. If Satan alienates 90% of creation from God... technically he succeeded in his goal. Christ died to save all of humanity. If only 10% of humanity is "saved", Jesus fell tragically short of his goal. And the winner is... Satan.

Colossians 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

The Bible states that God will reconcile all things to himself. Will he? Yes or no?

I'm not totally convinced of UR teaching. However, I see how it provides the ultimate victory against sin and Satan. It also demonstrates a love for all humanity that trancends judgmentalism and strife.

the bold part I say "exactly" to. How come they don't see the other judgements of God, where people were killed, as brutal? Doesn't add up on their part.

What, there, does reconcile and all THINGS...note not all people, but all things....mean? What does that mean?

A lot of times when I see verses like that quoted, they are quoted apart from the context. Often the context shows the author speaking of those that believed, as opposed to those that don't.

the word Reconcile means "to bring back a former state of harmony"

notice the comparison in two verses.

Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
Col 1:21 And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds,
Col 1:22 he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him,
Col 1:23 if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.
You got ALL THINGS and you have "AND YOU"...and in that case Paul gives a conditional "if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast...."

I think the ALL THINGS refers to everything else...the system of things, God's government, the creation. It will be put back in harmony.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

the bold part I say "exactly" to. How come they don't see the other judgements of God, where people were killed, as brutal? Doesn't add up on their part.

What, there, does reconcile and all THINGS...note not all people, but all things....mean? What does that mean?

A lot of times when I see verses like that quoted, they are quoted apart from the context. Often the context shows the author speaking of those that believed, as opposed to those that don't.

the word Reconcile means "to bring back a former state of harmony"

notice the comparison in two verses.

Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
Col 1:21 And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds,
Col 1:22 he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him,
Col 1:23 if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.
You got ALL THINGS and you have "AND YOU"...and in that case Paul gives a conditional "if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast...."

I think the ALL THINGS refers to everything else...the system of things, God's government, the creation. It will be put back in harmony.

UR does not say that those that do not enter into the faith will be held blameless. However, this in no way negates the eventual reconciliation. Those that are steadfast and stable will be blameless and will enter immediately into the aionion life.

But to preach sermons and doctrine as exemplified in this original post is to vilify God, and is completely out of order, and contradictory to the nature of God. Please don't tell me that you would defend that type of fear mongering.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

How will the URs feel....if they indeed make it to heaven, only to find out that all the nasty stuff they said about God....the God of the bible that DOES in fact allow the unbelievers to perish in hell? Will they demand God send them away rather than spend an Eternity with such a monster (their words)?

Again I have to remind us, what matters is what GOD'S word SAYS on the matter. Not emotive posturing. Not philosophical musings. When a person defines their God by such devices they are infact creating a false god made in their own image.

What? I would never have dream of Prax, using emotive posturing?? LOL

[Scott Hutchinson]

There is a punishment of the wicked taught in the bible,I don't see the unredeemed finding salvation after death,in my own heart I question my own burden for the unregenerate.
We need to preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified to this untoward generation more than ever before.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

There is a punishment of the wicked taught in the bible,I don't see the unredeemed finding salvation after death,in my own heart I question my own burden for the unregenerate.
We need to preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified to this untoward generation more than ever before.

Scott,

Why can you not see what the early church saw in the vast majority for the first to six century? It was only at the point of the Rome sword and the twisting of the scriptures by Jerome in the Latin Vulgate that the ED doctrine was forced down the throat of believers.

May all our eyes see the heart of Jesus to redeem all His creation.