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Originally Posted by Aquila
God's Word in the ancient Hebrew, Aramiac, and Greek... or God's Word in Latin?
Good points. I don't see any issue with God appearing brutal. Even to burn someone in Hell for a thousand years for sins committed over a span of only 50 years is brutal. For me the issue is... who wins. Satan's goal is to alientate creation from God. If Satan alienates 90% of creation from God... technically he succeeded in his goal. Christ died to save all of humanity. If only 10% of humanity is "saved", Jesus fell tragically short of his goal. And the winner is... Satan. Colossians 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
The Bible states that God will reconcile all things to himself. Will he? Yes or no?
I'm not totally convinced of UR teaching. However, I see how it provides the ultimate victory against sin and Satan. It also demonstrates a love for all humanity that trancends judgmentalism and strife. |
the bold part I say "exactly" to. How come they don't see the other judgements of God, where people were killed, as brutal? Doesn't add up on their part.
What, there, does reconcile and all THINGS...note not all people, but all things....mean? What does that mean?
A lot of times when I see verses like that quoted, they are quoted apart from the context. Often the context shows the author speaking of those that believed, as opposed to those that don't.
the word Reconcile means "to bring back a former state of harmony"
notice the comparison in two verses.
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
Col 1:21 And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds,
Col 1:22 he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him,
Col 1:23 if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.
You got ALL THINGS and you have "AND YOU"...and in that case Paul gives a conditional "if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast...."
I think the ALL THINGS refers to everything else...the system of things, God's government, the creation. It will be put back in harmony.
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