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A Lot in Common But Very Different
That's how I would sum up the doctrinal differences between OP's and TP's.
The Godhead difference really is a difference, and not just a mincing of words to cause division.
Often, I sum up the differences to be a reflection of the carnality of even our most holy elders and Bishops-- believing that God looks at His children of the various flocks and folds and shakes His Head at our lack of unity.
Still, there are moments like right now, when I think about the differences, and I see the vast chasm, and I wonder how is it even possible for one of these groups of sincere believers in the Gospel of Jesus Christ be saved and be so, so wrong?
If OP's are wrong, we are very, very wrong.
If TP's are wrong, we are very, very wrong.
Amazing Grace doesn't even really begin to describe what would be needed for there to be Believers from both schools of thought to be saved!
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03-16-2013, 01:30 PM
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Re: A Lot in Common But Very Different
Can't be both sides just agree that we will each pray for the grace to begin a sincere peaceful loving conversation
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03-16-2013, 01:42 PM
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Re: A Lot in Common But Very Different
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Can't be both sides just agree that we will each pray for the grace to begin a sincere peaceful loving conversation
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You're speaking of conversation, and I am speaking of the salvation of the very souls of the two very different doctrinal stance adherents.
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03-16-2013, 02:20 PM
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Re: A Lot in Common But Very Different
As that famous philosopher and humanitarian Rodney King once said "Can't we all just get along?"
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03-16-2013, 02:41 PM
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Re: A Lot in Common But Very Different
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That's how I would sum up the doctrinal differences between OP's and TP's.
The Godhead difference really is a difference, and not just a mincing of words to cause division.
Often, I sum up the differences to be a reflection of the carnality of even our most holy elders and Bishops-- believing that God looks at His children of the various flocks and folds and shakes His Head at our lack of unity.
Still, there are moments like right now, when I think about the differences, and I see the vast chasm, and I wonder how is it even possible for one of these groups of sincere believers in the Gospel of Jesus Christ be saved and be so, so wrong?
If OP's are wrong, we are very, very wrong.
If TP's are wrong, we are very, very wrong.
Amazing Grace doesn't even really begin to describe what would be needed for there to be Believers from both schools of thought to be saved!
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I hope I'm not being dense, but are you concerned that one's salvation could be at jeopardy because of division, or because of fallible doctrine?
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03-16-2013, 03:28 PM
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Re: A Lot in Common But Very Different
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I hope I'm not being dense, but are you concerned that one's salvation could be at jeopardy because of division, or because of fallible doctrine?
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Doctrine(s) does have a place in discussions of salvation and eternity.
Do you OR DOES ANYONE actually believe that doctrine does not have a place in discussions of salvation and eternity?
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03-16-2013, 03:39 PM
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Re: A Lot in Common But Very Different
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Doctrine(s) does have a place in discussions of salvation and eternity.
Do you OR DOES ANYONE actually believe that doctrine does not have a place in discussions of salvation and eternity?
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I agree, but I don't think a difference in understanding of the Godhead is going to send someone to hell. (In this case.)
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03-16-2013, 02:57 PM
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Re: A Lot in Common But Very Different
Salvation-wise I have never once questioned that the body of Christ is composed of Christians from many walks of life and denominational identification.
Jermyn, God is greater than our perceptions and our theological divisions. I understand that differences do exist, but our commonalities are far more than what divides us!
We Both confess:
One God
Faith in Jesus
Belief in God as the Father, Son and Holy Ghost
We must call on Jesus for salvation - there is no other name!
Jesus - the Son of God
Jesus was fully God and fully man
The Father was in heaven when His Son was on Earth
Our salvation is unmerited
The only hope for salvation is in Jesus Christ
We are saved by grace through faith...
We have so very much in common, yet some dwell on what divides... I choose not to do that.
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03-16-2013, 03:12 PM
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Re: A Lot in Common But Very Different
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
Salvation-wise I have never once questioned that the body of Christ is composed of Christians from many walks of life and denominational identification.
Jermyn, God is greater than our perceptions and our theological divisions. I understand that differences do exist, but our commonalities are far more than what divides us!
We Both confess:
One God
Faith in Jesus
Belief in God as the Father, Son and Holy Ghost
We must call on Jesus for salvation - there is no other name!
Jesus - the Son of God
Jesus was fully God and fully man
The Father was in heaven when His Son was on Earth
Our salvation is unmerited
The only hope for salvation is in Jesus Christ
We are saved by grace through faith...
We have so very much in common, yet some dwell on what divides... I choose not to do that.
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03-16-2013, 03:36 PM
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Re: A Lot in Common But Very Different
I believe it was Nathaniel Urshan who said, in reference to the AG "We're really not as different as most people think." I watched a Oneness vs Trinity debate once between DKB and some Baptist guy. When DKB was finished making his case, the Baptist got up and said "I agree with 90% of what he said."
When it comes to baptism, the AG never really condemned the Jesus Name formula. if you'll look at the 1916 AG resolution here, on page 6, left side, it says "RESOLVED, that since the words in Matth. 28:19 and the words in Acts 2:38 were both inspired of God, we hereby disapprove of contending for the one to the exclusion of or against the other, because confusion and a party spirit are sure to follow such unscriptural conduct. This council therefore recommends that all our preachers include in their formula used in connection with the act of baptism the words used by Jesus in Matth. 28:19."
There you see that they did not condemn the Jesus' Name formula. They even disapproved arguing about it.
In the 4square Declaration of Faith Study Guide, found here, page 44, it says "while the Foursquare Church is Trinitarian and recommends the use of the Trinitarian formula, we would certainly not forbid the use of the formula, "in the name of Jesus," as long as it does not represent a polemic against a Trinitarian understanding."
(All of the above is just food for thought.)
I would like to see Oneness organizations accept F,S & HG baptism in addition to Jesus' name.
It's true that there is backbiting on both sides, and we need to get over that.
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