Discrepancies in Paul's Message

[Dedicated Mind]

Acts 17:
23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, To The Unknown God. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

Romans 1:
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

in acts paul says pagans worship ignorantly, in romans pagans are without an excuse.

Acts 17:
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Romans 1:
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;


in acts God winks at pagan ignorance, in Romans God judges pagan idolatry.



which is it bible inerrancy folks, acts 17 or romans 1?

[Originalist]

It does not say that.


THEN---And the times of this ignorance God winked at;

NOW---
but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

NOW is the time of Roman 1.

[renee819]

[QUOTE=Dedicated Mind;1258844]Acts 17:
23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, To The Unknown God. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

Romans 1:
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

in acts paul says pagans worship ignorantly, in romans pagans are without an excuse.

Acts 17:
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Romans 1:
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;


in acts God winks at pagan ignorance, in Romans God judges pagan idolatry.



which is it bible inerrancy folks, acts 17 or romans 1?[/QUOT


NEITHER!

You have to know, who Paul is talking to.

In Acts 17, he is talking to Pagans.

In Romans 1, he is talking to BACKSLIDERS.

Romans 1:18 (KJV)
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness

;

“men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;” Men that know the TRUTH, and yet live in unrighteousness.”

Romans 1:19 (KJV)
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

What is known of God---was manifest in them. (I take that as even the Holy Ghost was manifest in them.)
God has shown them.
“even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: “

Romans 1:21 (KJV)
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened

.

These are backsliders.

[Dedicated Mind]

renee, are you talking about christian backsliders or judaism backsliders? paul mentions idol worshippers in romans 1

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

[renee819]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

renee, are you talking about christian backsliders or judaism backsliders? paul mentions idol worshippers in romans 1

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Cristian backsliders. Romans is written to the Christian churches in Rome. So it could be to Gentiles as well as Jews.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by renee819

Cristian backsliders. Romans is written to the Christian churches in Rome. So it could be to Gentiles as well as Jews.

renee, this is a very misguided claim. scholars date the book of romans to the 50's AD.

The majority of scholars writing on Romans propose the letter was written in late 55/early 56 or late 56/early 57.[10] Early 58 and early 55 both have some support, while German New Testament scholar Gerd Lüdemann argues for a date as early as 51/52 (or 54/55) following on from Knox who proposed 53/54. Lüdemann is the only serious challenge to the consensus of mid to late 50s.

romans 1 cannot refer to christian backsliders. they were either judaism backsliders or pagans who never acknowledge the truth of god, in which case it would contradict acts 17. you need a better explanation to defend biblical inerrancy.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

renee, this is a very misguided claim. scholars date the book of romans to the 50's AD.



romans 1 cannot refer to christian backsliders. they were either judaism backsliders or pagans who never acknowledge the truth of god, in which case it would contradict acts 17. you need a better explanation to defend biblical inerrancy.

Please explain how the date being the 50s proves it can't refer to Christian backsliders.

How does that contradict acts 17? I don't see your point

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Please explain how the date being the 50s proves it can't refer to Christian backsliders.

How does that contradict acts 17? I don't see your point

if romans 1 was written in the 50's ad that is only 20 years after christ. they would not have time to become idol worshippers, given over to homosexuality and lesbianism. the process of rejection of truth, corruption and judgement takes more than 20 years. he is obviously referring to pagan idolaters who have become corrupt and judged in which case if you read the first post you will see the contradiction with acts 17.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

which is it bible inerrancy folks, acts 17 or romans 1?

First of all your childish taunts does not work with all Christians.
There is a wide definition of Bible inerrancy within Christianity, some like me have a different take on bible inerrancy which does not demand word for word exactness, so your puny sarcasm and brattish attacks are meaningless to some of us.

Actually many of us have no problem with paradoxes like Acts 17 and Romans 1, we find the tension between both of them good. One is pulling in one direction the other is pulling in the other direction, which keeps everything right in the middle.

I and many of my brethren can live with both Acts 17 and Romans 1 quite comfortable.

Some of us Christians can read a multitude of different translations all with different words and still say that all of them speak the word of God. I myself read also many Spanish versions and I consider them all the word of God.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

First of all your childish taunts does not work with all Christians.
There is a wide definition of Bible inerrancy within Christianity, some like me have a different take on bible inerrancy which does not demand word for word exactness, so your puny sarcasm and brattish attacks are meaningless to some of us.

Actually many of us have no problem with paradoxes like Acts 17 and Romans 1, we find the tension between both of them good. One is pulling in one direction the other is pulling in the other direction, which keeps everything right in the middle.

I and many of my brethren can live with both Acts 17 and Romans 1 quite comfortable.

Some of us Christians can read a multitude of different translations all with different words and still say that all of them speak the word of God. I myself read also many Spanish versions and I consider them all the word of God.

calm down junior. i am not attacking christians or god's word. i am trying to raise critical awareness among brethren. we need to be able to defend against the secular academia that wants to destroy faith through critical analysis. i am just reading their stuff and raising issues among apostolics so that we can all learn and benefit through critical exchange of ideas.