Israel is an abomination

Originalist · #1 10-12-2023, 07:20 PM

Time and again in the Old Testament, God sent heathen barbarian nations to punish Israel. Time and again the God-sent prophets were ignored or threatened by backslid, apostate Israeli leaders. Sudden calamity would come upon the Jewish nation that was committing all manner of abominations, including offering their own children to pagan idols. As I watched the horrifying video of the Hamas paratroopers swooping in upon the unsuspecting festival attendees, I could not help but think about the ancestors of these people also being caught off guard and led away captive. Did you see it? On video we wittnessed modern Israelis being led away captive in the same horrifying way their anscestors were! Some of those party-goers were flagrantly flaunting sin in the face of God. Like America, Israel has become sympathetic to the gay agenda with rainbow flags being seen everywhere in the holy land. When God brought in foreign armies in the Old Testament to lead his people into captivity, innocent women and children died by the thousands. I know this will not set well with some, but why aren't we reminding the Jews of Israel of the holiness of God and the harsh ways in which God punished their ancestors? Why are we not urging them to repent? Why are we not boldly proclaiming to them that Jesus is their Messiah and continued rebellion against him will bring destruction to their nation?

Esaias · #2 10-13-2023, 12:32 AM

You are confused. Those people are not Biblical Israel, they are a mix of Turkish/Khazar and Arabic ancestry, with a subset of Edomites essentially running their show. More importantly, they are the synagogue of satan according to Jesus and are of the devil. According to John they are in fact the Biblical antichrist. That is because they are Pharisees (literally) whose religion is based on the rejection of Jesus.

Israel, meanwhile, officially embraced the headship of Jesus Christ the Son of God and have spread the Gospel of His kingdom just about everywhere.

Why is the West in such dire straights today? Read Deuteronomy 28 for the answer.

Originalist · #3 10-13-2023, 03:39 AM

I completely agree. But since the Evangelical world IS ascribing to them all the attributes of "Jewishness," then why not do all I said in my original post?

Evang.Benincasa · #4 10-13-2023, 10:37 AM

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I completely agree. But since the Evangelical world IS ascribing to them all the attributes of "Jewishness," then why not do all I said in my original post?

Bro, what happened Saturday, cannot be equated to the Babylonian exile, or the destruction by the Romans. Our only job is to convince them of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. As Brother Esaias said, its not our problem. They have been at each others throats since 1948. The history of religious and Secular Zionism in that region has failed miserably. Even all the Christian Zionist Fundamentalists can't help this situation now. It isn't the 1980s anymore. The Internet has pretty much helped educate many studious Christians to be able to see the ugly truth about this Middle Eastern conflict. Funny how no one ever believed Joe Biden before. Yet, he and CNN said that they saw pictures of babies beheaded? Then the White House had to correct that statement as untrue? Sadly, so many "Christians" wanted to believe it. My dear brother, when you have Christians slide down the rabbit hole, who will reach out to the sinner?

Originalist · #5 10-14-2023, 09:54 AM

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Bro, what happened Saturday, cannot be equated to the Babylonian exile, or the destruction by the Romans. Our only job is to convince them of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. As Brother Esaias said, its not our problem. They have been at each others throats since 1948. The history of religious and Secular Zionism in that region has failed miserably. Even all the Christian Zionist Fundamentalists can't help this situation now. It isn't the 1980s anymore. The Internet has pretty much helped educate many studious Christians to be able to see the ugly truth about this Middle Eastern conflict. Funny how no one ever believed Joe Biden before. Yet, he and CNN said that they saw pictures of babies beheaded? Then the White House had to correct that statement as untrue? Sadly, so many "Christians" wanted to believe it. My dear brother, when you have Christians slide down the rabbit hole, who will reach out to the sinner?

Not completely "equated," obviously, but it certainly can be compared. All I'm really trying to point out is the inconsistency of the dispensationalist camp who on the one hand don't flinch at God using pagan nations to punish Israel in the Old Testament, but recoil at the thought of God doing the same thing today. This is what my comparison was all about. We see a bunch of self-professed Israelis (but not really) at a rave party, half-naked, glorying in sensuality, all reminiscent of the golden-calf worshipers in Exodus. Then, from out of nowhere, an enemy people sweep in and reap havoc, and take away captives. It is a great opportunity to school dispensationalists on the inconsistencies of their views. .

shag · #6 10-14-2023, 10:31 AM

Do Oneness Pentecostal dispensationalists believe that Israelites/Jews whatever do not have to Believe on Jesus Christ as their Messiah, and obey the gospel like everybody else, to make it to heaven, because they are supposedly already “Gods chosen people”?

Evang.Benincasa · #7 10-14-2023, 12:06 PM

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Not completely "equated," obviously, but it certainly can be compared. All I'm really trying to point out is the inconsistency of the dispensationalist camp who on the one hand don't flinch at God using pagan nations to punish Israel in the Old Testament, but recoil at the thought of God doing the same thing today. This is what my comparison was all about. We see a bunch of self-professed Israelis (but not really) at a rave party, half-naked, glorying in sensuality, all reminiscent of the golden-calf worshipers in Exodus. Then, from out of nowhere, an enemy people sweep in and reap havoc, and take away captives. It is a great opportunity to school dispensationalists on the inconsistencies of their views. .

You see the contradiction because you aren’t a Pre Trib Post Trib Dispensationalist Christian Zionist. I know, that’s a mouthful. Inconsistency and contradictions abound in their eschatology. If you were to sit down with all the ministers and preachers who hold to Dispensationalism, your take away would be this, they all have different thoughts on the subject. Dispensationalism isn’t just part of our movement religiously. But politically. Religiously it causes some churches like the United Pentecostal Church in Cooper City Florida to allow Rabbis to stand on their platform and speak from their pulpit. Politically they will allow Israeli politicians to do the same. Brother Esaias stated it perfectly. It’s not our problem. It gets to a point where we must knock the dirt from our sandals and move on from the madness. While I can understand your heart that this looks like a great opportunity to remove the scales from their eyes. The sad truth is that their cognitive dissonance has given them ecclesiastical dementia. They see any criticism of modern Israel as blasphemy. It’s not just an eschatological issue but a soteriological issue. The Apostolic Pentecostal pastor who should be the sighted guide in this situation bows before the Christ Hating Rabbi. Making statements as “we worship the same God!” All while the Pentecostal pastor quotes the Shema.
The reality is we don’t worship the same God, we worship Jesus Christ as our Father, King, and Pastor.

There was a time when giving out material, and getting into debates on this issue I thought could be fruitful. But there is none so blind as those who will not see. Beating the dead horse with those who instead of worshiping Jesus, they are worshipping Jews. We get the charge as antisemetics. But we aren’t we are just pointing out that those who they worship as God’s Chosen people are anti Christian, anti Gospel, and is not the Israel that is blessed by all, but blown up by all.

Look, there is enough information out there to educate anyone with the desire to know the truth. It will not take a two state solution. But a one state, Israel becoming like any other country, democratic country. Where all the citizens are first rate. Ask any Israeli Arab who has been born in Israel. His or her passport is different from a natural born Israeli Jew.

The Dispensationalist Zionistic Pentecostal brain doesn’t acknowledge this prejudice. Because they see Israel as the same as the one in the Bible.

Imagine a country were blonde hair blue eyed whites were the first class citizens and all others were second class? Insane? Right?

The issue is old my brother. Not 2,000 years or 1,000 years old. But maybe over 70 years old. Sad as it is we can get blood out of a stone. If the people have hearts of stone they can’t or won’t see the truth.

Appreciate you my brother in JESUS NAME

Esaias · #8 10-14-2023, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

Not completely "equated," obviously, but it certainly can be compared. All I'm really trying to point out is the inconsistency of the dispensationalist camp who on the one hand don't flinch at God using pagan nations to punish Israel in the Old Testament, but recoil at the thought of God doing the same thing today. This is what my comparison was all about. We see a bunch of self-professed Israelis (but not really) at a rave party, half-naked, glorying in sensuality, all reminiscent of the golden-calf worshipers in Exodus. Then, from out of nowhere, an enemy people sweep in and reap havoc, and take away captives. It is a great opportunity to school dispensationalists on the inconsistencies of their views. .

You can't "school" someone who dropped out years ago and refuses to sign back up.

shag · #9 10-13-2023, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

You are confused. Those people are not Biblical Israel, they are a mix of Turkish/Khazar and Arabic ancestry, with a subset of Edomites essentially running their show. More importantly, they are the synagogue of satan according to Jesus and are of the devil. According to John they are in fact the Biblical antichrist. That is because they are Pharisees (literally) whose religion is based on the rejection of Jesus.

Israel, meanwhile, officially embraced the headship of Jesus Christ the Son of God and have spread the Gospel of His kingdom just about everywhere.

Why is the West in such dire straights today? Read Deuteronomy 28 for the answer.

I really want to discuss this topic.
“All eyes are on Israel, Gods Chosen People” is the topic of MANY pulpits this week.

Ps. 122:6-9

“They shall prosper that love thee”

Evang.Benincasa · #10 10-13-2023, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by shag

I really want to discuss this topic.
“All eyes are on Israel, Gods Chosen People” is the topic of MANY pulpits this week.

Ps. 122:6-9

“They shall prosper that love thee”

Actually they shall all prosper who love the Body of Christ, the True Israel of God. The Israel which is now, has zero to do with the Bible. Simply for the reason that not one person who claims to be Jewish or Israeli can be a relative of those in the OT, the original people who held covenant. The Gospel is the ONLY WAY to eternal life. Unless someone accepts Jesus Christ and is baptized in His name, filled with His Holy Ghost. If they reject Jesus Christ for Judaism, Secular Zionism, Christian Zionism, Islam, or any other religion. They will be as lost as a goose in a windstorm.