Have you ever......

Jesuswins · #1 09-14-2007, 11:10 AM

I have never been a part of the UPCI, but I have heard some "stories" about Pastors investigating the lives of the church members to see if they are "living right". I just wonder if it's true....... have you ever experienced this from your Pastor or are you a Pastor and done it to some of your saints.

Esther · #2 09-14-2007, 11:26 AM

None of mine have!

Praxeas · #3 09-14-2007, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesuswins

I have never been a part of the UPCI, but I have heard some "stories" about Pastors investigating the lives of the church members to see if they are "living right". I just wonder if it's true....... have ever experienced this from your Pastor or are you a Pastor and done it to some of your saints.

Nope....have you asked them on an AOG board? They have had their problems in the past with that. Shepherding movement it was called

Hegavmelif · #4 09-14-2007, 03:54 PM

I've been in this movement for all my life. I am third generation. I know a lot a people all over this country and have family and friends in all but about 10 states.

Oh Yes! UPC preachers do this all the time. They even investigate the background of someone who might be marrying a person from their church. I know of many, many, many scenarios where preachers went digging for information about a saint.

Example: One young woman in California (first marriage) was gonna marry a guy from another state and the pastor in California went to calling this man's previous pastors and trying to dig up all kinds of stuff. The preacher lied to the woman about what he said he found out about the man. Made her call off the wedding. Only to find out in the end that this preacher had made numerous sexual advances to this woman and several others in his church. If I called his name - most every one would recognize it. He still holds a license and pastor a church. This happened about 15 years ago.

Amos · #5 09-14-2007, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hegavmelif

I've been in this movement for all my life. I am third generation. I know a lot a people all over this country and have family and friends in all but about 10 states.

Oh Yes! UPC preachers do this all the time. They even investigate the background of someone who might be marrying a person from their church. I know of many, many, many scenarios where preachers went digging for information about a saint.

Example: One young woman in California (first marriage) was gonna marry a guy from another state and the pastor in California went to calling this man's previous pastors and trying to dig up all kinds of stuff. The preacher lied to the woman about what he said he found out about the man. Made her call off the wedding. Only to find out in the end that this preacher had made numerous sexual advances to this woman and several others in his church. If I called his name - most every one would recognize it. He still holds a license and pastor a church. This happened about 15 years ago.

I can tell you right now that I will absolutely check with the pastor of someone that wants to marry somebody in our church.

Any pastor worth his salt will do that.

I have noticed that you just about never have anything good to say about a UPC preacher.

Have you noticed that pastors don't typically get on here and tell horror stories about saints?

Do you think it is because we are never done wrong or taken advantage of?

Not on your life.

It is because we love people and don't get a charge out of tearing them down and repeating all kinds of dirt about them online like you and all your uplifitng stories.

Praxeas · #6 09-14-2007, 06:33 PM

Well I have heard of pastors checking with another pastor about a man that wanted to marry a woman in their church and vice versa....

Barb · #7 09-14-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Well I have heard of pastors checking with another pastor about a man that wanted to marry a woman in their church and vice versa....

And well they should!!

Look...there are charlatans in every organization/denomination/group. These folk are out to get what they can get, be it $$, sex, or fame.

But for people like Heg to mistakenly think that a pastor who checks on the future mate of a member of his is controlling or worse, well that's just silly.

If it were me, I would glad to have a pastor who cared enough to see if this dude was for real.

It's not about checking for dirt...it's about being a loving shepherd.

pelathais · #8 09-14-2007, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hegavmelif

I've been in this movement for all my life. I am third generation. I know a lot a people all over this country and have family and friends in all but about 10 states.

Oh Yes! UPC preachers do this all the time. They even investigate the background of someone who might be marrying a person from their church. I know of many, many, many scenarios where preachers went digging for information about a saint.

Example: One young woman in California (first marriage) was gonna marry a guy from another state and the pastor in California went to calling this man's previous pastors and trying to dig up all kinds of stuff. The preacher lied to the woman about what he said he found out about the man. Made her call off the wedding. Only to find out in the end that this preacher had made numerous sexual advances to this woman and several others in his church. If I called his name - most every one would recognize it. He still holds a license and pastor a church. This happened about 15 years ago.

The problem you describe (if it happened as you describe) is one where not enough investigation goes on.

RevDWW · #9 09-14-2007, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hegavmelif

I've been in this movement for all my life. I am third generation. I know a lot a people all over this country and have family and friends in all but about 10 states.

Oh Yes! UPC preachers do this all the time. They even investigate the background of someone who might be marrying a person from their church. I know of many, many, many scenarios where preachers went digging for information about a saint.

Example: One young woman in California (first marriage) was gonna marry a guy from another state and the pastor in California went to calling this man's previous pastors and trying to dig up all kinds of stuff. The preacher lied to the woman about what he said he found out about the man. Made her call off the wedding. Only to find out in the end that this preacher had made numerous sexual advances to this woman and several others in his church. If I called his name - most every one would recognize it. He still holds a license and pastor a church. This happened about 15 years ago.

And you do nothing about it? After all you do have the evidence of what you are stating as fact? If the Pastor you speak of is doing what you say, he is a shame to the name of Jesus and you need to go bring the evidence to the District Board and it needs to be investigated and adjudicated. What if he keeps doing what you stated; doesn't he need to be stopped?

Amos · #10 09-14-2007, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW

And you do nothing about it? After all you do have the evidence of what you are stating as fact? If the Pastor you speak of is doing what you say, he is a shame to the name of Jesus and you need to go bring the evidence to the District Board and it needs to be investigated and adjudicated. What if he keeps doing what you stated; doesn't he need to be stopped?

He is doing something about it!

Posting anonymously on an internet forum.