Prax, I'm just saying that being irate in your own house should not be an arrestable offense particularly once the police officer realizes that he was actually mistaken. (unless of course you pose a domestic threat to someone else in the house)
I know that there will be conflicting reports about how identification was produced, but everybody agrees that he did identify himself.
You know if two persons, a husband and wife, are arguing loudly in their house so the neighbors can hear, the cops can arrest them for domestic violence? Read the report, he was not merely irate. He was arrested on the porch. The cop asked the man to go outside and provide ID. If there is a possibility of a break in, a lone cop is not going to mingle around and ask for ID because there could be others in the house. He asked the man to step outside and the man was not cooperative it seems. Sorry but yes that can get you into trouble.
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I have seen officers yelled at even out in the public, by people who were stopped for speeding, by people who are demonstrating, etc...
I've seen officers called pigs and worse by people who were guilty of a whole lot more than coming home.
It depends on the situations. Every situation is different. This cop was initially alone. The man was uncooperative and yelling. The cop asked him to step outside and to calm down. The man continued to yell and there was a crowd growing. Under those situations I have seen cops take the person into custody and place them in the squad car and either deal with the crowd or get out of there.
Again you make it seem like the cops were doing what they did with the knowledge of a man merely coming home to his house. No. They did not know that.
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At the end of the day, I have yet to read an arrestable offense. I will wait and see what else happens. Ultimately, if the legal system thinks he was actually guilty of breaking the law, he will be charged and we can all see it beyond a reasonable doubt.
Cops arrest people all the time if they have reasonable cause and later on the charges are dropped. It's the nature of law enforcement.
From what I have quoted so far I do see reasonable cause. Just because some cops on video are a lot more patient does not mean it is still not an arrestable offense. In fact I have seen cops on video where they COULD have arrested someone but did not. Just because they did not does not mean the behavior is not an arrestable offense
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You know if two persons, a husband and wife, are arguing loudly in their house so the neighbors can hear, the cops can arrest them for domestic violence? Read the report, he was not merely irate. He was arrested on the porch. The cop asked the man to go outside and provide ID. If there is a possibility of a break in, a lone cop is not going to mingle around and ask for ID because there could be others in the house. He asked the man to step outside and the man was not cooperative it seems. Sorry but yes that can get you into trouble.
It depends on the situations. Every situation is different. This cop was initially alone. The man was uncooperative and yelling. The cop asked him to step outside and to calm down. The man continued to yell and there was a crowd growing. Under those situations I have seen cops take the person into custody and place them in the squad car and either deal with the crowd or get out of there.
Again you make it seem like the cops were doing what they did with the knowledge of a man merely coming home to his house. No. They did not know that.
Cops arrest people all the time if they have reasonable cause and later on the charges are dropped. It's the nature of law enforcement.
From what I have quoted so far I do see reasonable cause. Just because some cops on video are a lot more patient does not mean it is still not an arrestable offense. In fact I have seen cops on video where they COULD have arrested someone but did not. Just because they did not does not mean the behavior is not an arrestable offense
Prax, I'll read more info as it is released. I know we can go around in circles. I'm just saying that at some point before he was arrested, he did in fact provide satisfacory ID. The two sides will undoubtedly present their sides differently, but he did at some point before his arrest identify himself as the homeowner and someone innocent of any wrong doing. At that point, the officer was operating "with the knowledge of a man merely coming home to his house". At that point even if he is irate, you apologize for the mistake and leave in my opinion. I have not seen anything that would suggest that he would have been a danger to anyone at that point.
I guess I'm just not sure who was being "Protected and Served" by his arrest.
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What was "stupid" was for the President of the United States to even comment on a local police matter. He's supposed to be above the fray at all times.
The local cop could have just walked away once he secured the ID of the individual involved. That's hard to do sometimes, but he only brought more hassles into his life by making the arrest.
The prof's behavior seems to bring shame upon the whole field of "ethnic studies" in all universities across the country. These programs are truly fronts for racism and often vile slander against law enforcement, the US military and the United States in general.
That being said, sometimes cops make mistakes. Screaming and acting a fool certainly doesn't help to solve those problems, however.
Prax, I'll read more info as it is released. I know we can go around in circles. I'm just saying that at some point before he was arrested, he did in fact provide satisfacory ID. The two sides will undoubtedly present their sides differently, but he did at some point before his arrest identify himself as the homeowner and someone innocent of any wrong doing. At that point, the officer was operating "with the knowledge of a man merely coming home to his house". At that point even if he is irate, you apologize for the mistake and leave in my opinion. I have not seen anything that would suggest that he would have been a danger to anyone at that point.
I guess I'm just not sure who was being "Protected and Served" by his arrest.
You're right about the ID thing, at least according to the news accounts. But he wasn't arrested for questions about the ID or even pushing on the door to his own home.
The prof seems to have been yelling at the cop inside the house. After the cop left and appeared to have walked away from the confrontation, the prof followed him outside and involved hmself in behavior that was "disruptive" and "disorderly." There were many witnesses to that behavior and it was for this that the prof was arrested.
Police are given latitude to make discretionary arrests and to even simply "hold" someone who is behaving in a disorderly fashion.
You're right about the ID thing, at least according to the news accounts. But he wasn't arrested for questions about the ID or even pushing on the door to his own home.
The prof seems to have been yelling at the cop inside the house. After the cop left and appeared to have walked away from the confrontation, the prof followed him outside and involved hmself in behavior that was "disruptive" and "disorderly." There were many witnesses to that behavior and it was for this that the prof was arrested.
Police are given latitude to make discretionary arrests and to even simply "hold" someone who is behaving in a disorderly fashion.
Pel, I guess we'll just have to see how it all plays out. It was my understanding, however, that it was the officer who asked the professor to step outside after he had already produced the identification.
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Yep, the President should not have made those comments. But he is going to get some flak from cops and such. Not a good idea. And I don't think the arrest was about racism at all. But by the President making remarks it is now.
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Pel, I guess we'll just have to see how it all plays out. It was my understanding, however, that it was the officer who asked the professor to step outside after he had already produced the identification.
It's been a while since I had to deal with any police, but I think when they ask you to do something it's in your best interest to do so. Especially when they are investigating an alleged crime.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
What was "stupid" was for the President of the United States to even comment on a local police matter. He's supposed to be above the fray at all times.
The local cop could have just walked away once he secured the ID of the individual involved. That's hard to do sometimes, but he only brought more hassles into his life by making the arrest.
The prof's behavior seems to bring shame upon the whole field of "ethnic studies" in all universities across the country. These programs are truly fronts for racism and often vile slander against law enforcement, the US military and the United States in general.
That being said, sometimes cops make mistakes. Screaming and acting a fool certainly doesn't help to solve those problems, however.
I agree. Even though he was asked directly about it, I think he should have skipped that question. He needs to learn that you can't always be candid even when asked about things. That was not an issue to be discussed in that forum at that time.
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It's been a while since I had to deal with any police, but I think when they ask you to do something it's in your best interest to do so. Especially when they are investigating an alleged crime.
I agree Cindy. I'm just saying that once they saw definitively that they are mistaken about an alleged crime, they should not have arrested him for being irate.
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I agree Cindy. I'm just saying that once they saw definitively that they are mistaken about an alleged crime, they should not have arrested him for being irate.
Nah, cops get yelled at a lot, they should be kind of immune to that. Especially a long time officer. Of course we don't know what exactly was said.
Can you imagine what might have happened with the same circumstances in some parts of Texas?
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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