Legislating Internet Porn

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by ILG

I'm not sure we can conclude that Ted Bundy killed because he watched porn, otherwise all porn watchers would eventually be serial killers. However, it is true that porn is addictive like a drug and needs more and more for the same high. I have read that repeatedly.

Just like not all people who use drugs are drug addicts. The psychological aspect of a person does play a huge part in determining if someone may become an addict.

100 people may see porn and not feel it's a big deal. They can move on in life and never find themselves tempted to return.

I had a discussion this morning with my daughter about this subject. She is a lot like me, so we understand each other quite well. The same things tend to depress or excite us. We have to be careful not to profile people after us, just like others need to be careful not to profile me and my daughter.

We sat under a pastor years ago who didn't suffer from depression or anxiety. He would basically tell people to "Get over it". Well, for some it's not that easy. People are truly different and we must realize everyone is unique.

Porn is just the gateway for some like Mr. Bundy, taking them into realms of complete and total darkness. I think it's important for people to be honest with themselves, and others, about the weaknesses they have.

Just curious, did you watch the video? Ted gives an honest opinion about his experience in prison and how ALL the serial killers he knew were into pornography.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by ILG

I'm not sure we can conclude that Ted Bundy killed because he watched porn, otherwise all porn watchers would eventually be serial killers. However, it is true that porn is addictive like a drug and needs more and more for the same high. I have read that repeatedly.

But you know what every single, serial killer and many rapists have in common? Porn addiction. Yup.

Did Ted Bundy kill because of a porn addiction? It's possible and he said he did. Of course that's the causation, not the full explanation. It's a little more complex than that. But that's perhaps where it stems, or even further back into a heart unregenerated.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

My best hope is that by keeping the topic approachable, by trying to create a good example of wholesome sexuality within marriage, and by pointing out how the secular world twists God's intent into something harmful, they can at least have the tools to make good decisions. I'm less concerned for my girls, even though I know women can become addicted to porn, too. Our son, on the other hand...we may not turn off his internet filters until he's married.

They've had lessons on this in class at church, too, which is fine with me. (Although, in some churches, I would probably want to sit in on the class! Thankfully, we have some teachers who seem to be able to address sex appropriately without bringing prudishness and puritanism to the table.)

The more discussion, the better.

My thoughts on the impact of pornography are not just about the sin aspect of it, although that is a concern, but also about preventing the future relationships of my children from being warped by exposure to pornography. (In the sense of unreasonable expectations of what *real sex* is like, developing fetishes, needing porn to be turned on, having unrealistic ideas about what men and women look like naked, and developing addictions.)

Addiction to pornography negatively affects a person's relationship with God and their relationships with other people.

I realize this thread is about a third party protecting your children from porn, but it concerns me when so many parents give their children unfettered access to the internet. How on earth can someone think that it's okay to give a child unsupervised access???? I really don't get it. We're supposed to protect our children's minds just as we protect their bodies. Gradual exposure to an adult world is necessary; gradual exposure to smut is not. There are a lot of parents who need to be accountable for what their children access online.

A topic either avoided or approached extremely dogmatic for young men (and women) is masturbation. I guess we don't expect the church to teach that (since no one can agree on it -- surprise), but I'd imagine that's a tough topic for parents as well... and I wonder how many actually talk about it.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Just like not all people who use drugs are drug addicts. The psychological aspect of a person does play a huge part in determining if someone may become an addict.

100 people may see porn and not feel it's a big deal. They can move on in life and never find themselves tempted to return.

I had a discussion this morning with my daughter about this subject. She is a lot like me, so we understand each other quite well. The same things tend to depress or excite us. We have to be careful not to profile people after us, just like others need to be careful not to profile me and my daughter.

We sat under a pastor years ago who didn't suffer from depression or anxiety. He would basically tell people to "Get over it". Well, for some it's not that easy. People are truly different and we must realize everyone is unique.

Porn is just the gateway for some like Mr. Bundy, taking them into realms of complete and total darkness. I think it's important for people to be honest with themselves, and others, about the weaknesses they have.

Just curious, did you watch the video? Ted gives an honest opinion about his experience in prison and how ALL the serial killers he knew were into pornography.

I think that's a gracious number. Regarding the "get over it" advice of your pastor, reminds me of the old SNL skit with Bob Newheart "STOP IT!" hahaha.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Just like not all people who use drugs are drug addicts. The psychological aspect of a person does play a huge part in determining if someone may become an addict.

100 people may see porn and not feel it's a big deal. They can move on in life and never find themselves tempted to return.

I had a discussion this morning with my daughter about this subject. She is a lot like me, so we understand each other quite well. The same things tend to depress or excite us. We have to be careful not to profile people after us, just like others need to be careful not to profile me and my daughter.

We sat under a pastor years ago who didn't suffer from depression or anxiety. He would basically tell people to "Get over it". Well, for some it's not that easy. People are truly different and we must realize everyone is unique.

Porn is just the gateway for some like Mr. Bundy, taking them into realms of complete and total darkness. I think it's important for people to be honest with themselves, and others, about the weaknesses they have.

Just curious, did you watch the video? Ted gives an honest opinion about his experience in prison and how ALL the serial killers he knew were into pornography.

I watched the whole thing a number of years ago when I checked it out from the library. I do agree we have different propensities. I also believe him when he says all serial killers would be into pornography. But, I can't take the words of a serial killer as truth either.

I completely understand about depression and being told to get over it. I sat under a pastor who had the same attitude and I had worse depression under him than at any time in my entire life.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Socialite

But you know what every single, serial killer and many rapists have in common? Porn addiction. Yup.

Did Ted Bundy kill because of a porn addiction? It's possible and he said he did. Of course that's the causation, not the full explanation. It's a little more complex than that. But that's perhaps where it stems, or even further back into a heart unregenerated.

Yes, I agree that porn addiction is major for rapists and killers who kill with sex tied in.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Socialite

A topic either avoided or approached extremely dogmatic for young men (and women) is masturbation. I guess we don't expect the church to teach that (since no one can agree on it -- surprise), but I'd imagine that's a tough topic for parents as well... and I wonder how many actually talk about it.

I don't know why it's such a big deal, personally. As long as people are not masturbating to porn. I read once where Dr. Dobson said his Dad told him once that although he didn't think people should be preoccupied with it, that he shouldn't feel guilty if he didn't always manage to keep from it. He said he was greatly relieved to hear that and some of the best advice his Dad ever gave him.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Socialite

I think that's a gracious number. Regarding the "get over it" advice of your pastor, reminds me of the old SNL skit with Bob Newheart "STOP IT!" hahaha.

You're right, that number was GRACIOIS! The amount of men who have struggled with pornography at one time or another is probably 99 out of 100, and the 1 who isn't is lying (LOL).

Yeah, the "STOP IT" from ol Bob about sums it up.

[ILG]

Here ya go if you want to make your voice known:

http://www.grassfire.com/141/petition.asp

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by ILG

I don't know why it's such a big deal, personally. As long as people are not masturbating to porn. I read once where Dr. Dobson said his Dad told him once that although he didn't think people should be preoccupied with it, that he shouldn't feel guilty if he didn't always manage to keep from it. He said he was greatly relieved to hear that and some of the best advice his Dad ever gave him.

Just to challenge your idea a bit for the sake of discussion... hope you don't mind:

Why is porn the stopping grounds? Self-satisfaction, doesn't it naturally befriend porn? What about mental pornographic images? Undressing friends? Sex acts with married women, single women, taboos in the mind... all okay? What does it mean that "there shouldn't even be a hint of sexual immorality among you?" Is that unreasonable? Can one pleasure themselves in a legitimate way?

What about when you are married? Must it always be with your partner? Why? Does that logic add up to your answer on the first part?