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12-30-2010, 08:34 PM
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Re: The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save
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Well, I would need to explain it scripturally. However, you've already eliminated versions that go against your theology. We all know that any version that doesn't agree with our personal theology must be flawed. So, since you've limited the playing field, is there a version of the bible from which I have your permission to quote? Please make sure and give me the version of the bible that is absolutely, perfectly translated and that is completely unquestioned by any bible scholars. That will probably need to be something different than the King James Version since we know that Adam Clarke repeatedly questioned it...unless, of course, you're more qualified and knowledgeable than Mr. Clarke.
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Clarke was a trinitarian that alone makes him fallible.
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12-30-2010, 08:42 PM
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Re: The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save
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Yes it takes blood and water and spirit
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IOW, appropriation.
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12-30-2010, 08:48 PM
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Re: The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save
Depending on how you want to define 'WORKS', appropriation of the gift given to us by God, righteousness, through the cross of Christ involves something on our part.
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12-30-2010, 08:50 PM
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Re: The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save
The cross of Christ is a sufficient sacrifice for the sin of all men. How do we receive the His gift? "through" faith or "at" faith?
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12-30-2010, 08:54 PM
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Re: The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save
I believe salvation is initiated by God's grace through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and is held out as a free gift to men. That's the starting point.
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12-30-2010, 09:14 PM
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Re: The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save
starting point?
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12-30-2010, 09:17 PM
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Re: The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save
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Clarke was a trinitarian that alone makes him fallible. |
As were the 47 translators of the Authorized King James Version of 1611. Since the King James Version is a bible assembled and translated by trinitarians, should we toss it? I think it was those danged trinnys that came up with I John 5:7 anyway.
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12-30-2010, 09:31 PM
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Re: The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save
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As were the 47 translators of the Authorized King James Version of 1611. Since the King James Version is a bible assembled and translated by trinitarians, should we toss it? I think it was those danged trinnys that came up with I John 5:7 anyway. |
Of course not the inference was Clarke was infallible
and so great Apprehended could not be correct.
And yes they added that verse which does NOT appear in the NIV
or any of the newer translations.
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12-31-2010, 12:25 PM
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Re: The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save
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Well, I would need to explain it scripturally. However, you've already eliminated versions that go against your theology. We all know that any version that doesn't agree with our personal theology must be flawed. So, since you've limited the playing field, is there a version of the bible from which I have your permission to quote? Please make sure and give me the version of the bible that is absolutely, perfectly translated and that is completely unquestioned by any bible scholars. That will probably need to be something different than the King James Version since we know that Adam Clarke repeatedly questioned it...unless, of course, you're more qualified and knowledgeable than Mr. Clarke.
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I'm very interested in your doctrine as to how you arrived at it as truth. I'd be glad to discuss it with you. What version would you like to use? Use any Greek lexicon or manuscript that you would most prefer. Either would be fine with me. That might be a good starting point.
But, if you would prefer to use your beloved (less than 15 years old) version, we can use it too, even though it is highly discredited by most reputable scholars So give me the best rationale that you can employ to establish the grounds of your doctrine.
Love to hear from you.
Incidentally, I do not slither.
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12-31-2010, 12:30 PM
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Re: The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save
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Clarke was a trinitarian that alone makes him fallible. |
Of course. His personal prejudices were well pronounced through out his commentary.
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Originally Posted by Liberal
As were the 47 translators of the Authorized King James Version of 1611. Since the King James Version is a bible assembled and translated by trinitarians, should we toss it? I think it was those danged trinnys that came up with I John 5:7 anyway. |
This is getting funny already.
Just like Clark, the 47 translators of the KJV were mere commentators!
Hahaha!
I can see that this is going to be fun.
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