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Old 01-16-2011, 09:52 AM
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How do you store wind power?
In great big wind-bags.
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Old 01-16-2011, 12:01 PM
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Re: Electric Cars and the Environment?

All you need is one of these under the cars hood! Once it started it will literally run forever giving you free energy for as long as the material it is built of holds up!



And I have a 40 acre plot of land in mid-town Manhattan that I am willing to sell CHEAP!
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Old 01-16-2011, 01:04 PM
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We should be creating more stuff to run off of natural gas. That was one of T Boone's big pushes besides the wind farm.

We are burning up natural energy because we have limited ways to use it, and we have to remove it to get to the oil below it.
Pelosi said natural gas was not a fossil fuel.

I can name most of the newer fields for natural gas and most of the gas creates natural gass liquids which are also refined into gasolene and lighter petroleum products. No asphalt nor heavy oil. We ran farm equipment on propane which is a portion of natural gas. It is used for heat and we even converted pick up trucks to propane in the 60's. Propane and butane are separated from the gas. An engine run on propane has non blackened crankase oil for years. Motor oil on gasolene cars turns black quickly.

Gas prices are depressed because we now have the Rockies express pipeline and a couple more that increase gathering and distribution efficiencies.

Peterbilt is rolling out a line of Natural gas trucks. They produce CO2 as does diesel. Just not soot like we hate from old city buses.
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Old 01-16-2011, 01:11 PM
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How do you store wind power?
Hold your breath?

Inflate a one mile in diameter whoopie cushion?
(there is an experimental car that is powered on highly compressed air.)

If you don't mind, I wiill improve your question. How do you store energy from wind generated electricity. The electricity is A/C and doesn't go into batteries. For it to charge a battery and be stored, it must be converted to direct current. That means a 20% energy loss in conversion. A/C power can't be stored. Electric power loss is great by reason of electrical resistance in powere lines. Like 15% power loss for every 60 miles.
You can't make electric in Kansas and send it to New York.
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Old 01-16-2011, 01:14 PM
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Hold your breath?

Inflate a one mile in diameter whoopie cushion?
(there is an experimental car that is powered on highly compressed air.)

If you don't mind, I wiill improve your question. How do you store energy from wind generated electricity. The electricity is A/C and doesn't go into batteries. For it to charge a battery and be stored, it must be converted to direct current. That means a 20% energy loss in conversion. A/C power can't be stored. Electric power loss is great by reason of electrical resistance in powere lines. Like 15% power loss for every 60 miles.
You can't make electric in Kansas and send it to New York.
Thanks for the explanation, Coadie.
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I don't think wind power alone is the answer to our energy needs. I don't think any single green technology is going to be answer but we should be doing what we can where we can to harness wind, solar, thermal, hydro and so on.

I personally can't wait to purchase an electric car. I've been waiting ever since GM built and scrapped the EV1. I think the my wait is about over.
Definitely not the answer however if we have area to spare it is a good supplemental source.

Personally Im waiting for our government to admit to the Star Gate program and start building large scale Naquadah generator plants.

I do think we need to focus on hydro more...we have a huge huge ocean out there that is constantly in motion.

I won't be getting one of those cars since electricity is so high here
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Prax, who has runs the wind farm in Tehachapi? That has been there for years I remember it being there at least 20 years ago.
I have no idea. I should take a tour out there some day since Im only 2 hours away.


Wow, these look really really old compared to the wind turbines Ive seen

These below look modern


The Tehachapi Wind Farm, with around 5,000 wind turbines, is the second largest collection of wind generators in the world (the largest is at the Altamont pass, near Livermore and the San Francisco Bay area), but is now the largest wind power array in the world in output. The turbines are operated by a dozen private companies, and collectively produce about 800 million kilowatt-hours of electricity, enough to meet the residential needs of 350,000 people every year. With over 15,000 turbines in the state (7,000 at Altamont and 3,000 at San Gorgonio Pass, near Palm Springs), wind power in California makes up about 1% of California's electricity.
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Old 01-16-2011, 06:10 PM
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Re: Electric Cars and the Environment?

I'm still waiting for cars powered by steam to make their reappearance.
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I have no idea. I should take a tour out there some day since Im only 2 hours away.


Wow, these look really really old compared to the wind turbines Ive seen

These below look modern


The Tehachapi Wind Farm, with around 5,000 wind turbines, is the second largest collection of wind generators in the world (the largest is at the Altamont pass, near Livermore and the San Francisco Bay area), but is now the largest wind power array in the world in output. The turbines are operated by a dozen private companies, and collectively produce about 800 million kilowatt-hours of electricity, enough to meet the residential needs of 350,000 people every year. With over 15,000 turbines in the state (7,000 at Altamont and 3,000 at San Gorgonio Pass, near Palm Springs), wind power in California makes up about 1% of California's electricity.
http://ludb.clui.org/ex/i/CA4977/
I commentd over a year ago that environmentalists had won litigation and Altamont Pass is shut down several months of the year during bird migration patterns. The golden eagle is a protected bird and the bird is safe and electric is stopped. I forget which part of the wind farms are stopped. Not all if I remember.
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Electric cars?

One bit of wisdom from"old age"......don't purchase anything the first year (or two! )

Once it has been on the road a few years......maybe

In the midwest I don't think there will be enough charging centers to get you out of town.
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