4given@Repentance If You're Still Goin 2 Hell?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Who was the epistle of 1 John written to?

you and me and many more.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Sam

you and me and many more.

to be OPPC (Oneness Pentecostal Politically Correct), 1 John was written to believers.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Sam

to be OPPC (Oneness Pentecostal Politically Correct), 1 John was written to believers.

To be OPPC (Oneness Pentecostal Politically Correct) we have to say that the New Testament is divided into 3 sections: Gospels, Acts, Epistles

The 4 Gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John tell the story of Jesus --His life, death, resurrection, and ascension to Heaven BUT nobody got saved there and the "plan" of salvation is not mentioned -- in fact it's hidden. Don't, I repeat don't read the Gospels to find out how to be saved. (Even though Jesus told someone there, "Thy faith hath saved thee" (Luke 7:50; and even though the words "save" and "saved" occur 35-40 times; and even though Jesus assured the thief on the cross, "today shalt thou be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:4); and even though Jesus told Nicodemus that He and His disciples knew and had seen people who were born again (John 3:11), and even though the kingdom message began and the law and the prophets were until John the Baptist (that means Baptizer. He wasn't a Baptist. Baptists are going to hell faster than a ball bearing on a greased plank contrary to what one former UPC General Superintendent said).

Then we have the Epistles, written by Apostles to individuals and Churches, but nary a word in them on how to be saved. Noooooo --don't go to those epistles to find out how to be saved --it just Ain't there with a capital "A". Them there Epistles (which, are not the wives of the Apostles for you that have not had an Apostolic Pentecostal Bible School education) were written to the Church --to people already in the Church-- so they don't tell how to get into the Church. (Yeah, right, just like you'd never hear a salvation message in a midweek Bible Study).

Then there's the Book of Acts, written by a Gentile (some believe he was a Jew but we really don't know) to an individual named Theophilus to describe the spread of the Gospel from its beginning in Jerusalem into all the known world ending up with the Apostle Paul under arrest in Rome. This Book of Acts is the ONLY book in the entire Bible which shows people getting saved and the ONLY book in the entire Bible that tells us how to get saved. It's a good thing that Theophilus shared it with others, otherwise there would be no place in the Bible to find out how to be saved.

[Steve Epley]

Repentance alone is as useless as baptism alone. Neither saves without the other. Jesus NOT OP's said 'water & the Spirit' Jn.3:5. What shall we do? The ONLY man with the keys gave the answer Acts 2:38. The door of Heaven was opened by those keys. LOCKED without the keys.
You don't have to obey Acts 2:38 you can always go to Hell.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Jesus saves.


Isaiah 53:11; Hosea 14:2; Matthew 20:28; Acts 13:39; Romans 3:22-24, Romans 4:24-25, Romans 5:1, Romans 5:9, Romans 5:18-19; 1 Corinthians 15:3; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Galatians 1:4, Galatians 3:13; 1 Timothy 2:6; Titus 2:14, Titus 3:5; Hebrews 1:3, Hebrews 2:17, Hebrews 9:28; 1 Peter 2:24, 1 Peter 3:18; 1 John 2:2, 1 John 3:5; 1 John 4:10; Revelation 1:5.

Our hypothetical "repentant sinner" isn't "saved" "because he repented". He isn't in a "state of awareness awaiting further cleansing in baptism which will ultimately save him."

Our hypothetical "repentant sinner" is "saved" only because the Savior has saved him. That is the purpose of a Savior; salvation.

Repentance: 3341 - metanoia - change of mind, the state of changing any or all of the elements composing one's life, attitude, thoughts and behaviours concerning the demands of God for right living; note that this state can refer to the foundational salvation event in Christ, or to on-going repentance in the Christian life.

We do know that "godly sorrow works repentance." II Cor 7:10

But there are some things involved that are interesting.

"Bring forth therefore fruits (deed, activity, produce of a person) meet (worthy, deserving) for repentance:.." Matthew 3:8; Luke 3:8; Acts 26:20

Oops and here is that dreaded "W" word - works.

"But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works (deed, activity, task, job, labour) meet (worthy,deserving) for repentance." Acts 26:20

John professes a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins:

"I indeed baptize you with water unto (to or into) repentance." Matthew 3:11

"John did baptize in the wilderness and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3; Acts 13:24; Acts 19:4; Acts 26:20

Luke 24:47 says that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name.

If the Gospels and Acts are equating "remission of sins" with baptism, then I have to say that it appears that repentance is something that God generates in order that we might change our mind, attitude, thoughts and behaviour in order to be saved.

"Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins." Acts 5:31

[Austin]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Don't you know the true salvation occurs when you finally look the part and write that first tithe check?

I really like your post! it reminds me of some churches I have been in; Example of a few, Holier than Thou.
Sister Mary can't sing in the choir because she has been maried twice, but she can put money in the offering plate and we will take it. She can help us with cleaning the church. Her husband can help us put a roof on the building. The sinner comes into the church or a member from a different church which they believe is going to hell, and puts money in the plate and they take it.
I really thought the spirit of the pharisees ended back in the time of Jesus but I guess some how they have figured out a way to travel through time and arrive in the 21st century.
You that know the truth keep up the good work. ( Im sure this will get a response) Im ready, bring it.

[Austin]

Two ministers met on a summer day at a restraunt along the road. One was a baptist and the other was a pentecostal. Both of them did not know each other only strangers meeting together. After having a long period of time fellowshipping with each other without any hinderance. The one pentecostal minister asked the other, How long have you been saved? The baptist replied, I've been saved for thirty years, and how about you brother, the pentecostal minister said well I have been saved on and off now for around fourty five years.
Romans 11;6 And if by grace, than is is no more of works; otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace. otherwise work is no more work.
Romans, 3;24,25,26,27,28.
24= justified freely(at no cost)(no wage) why? redemption in Christ.( redemption,"purchased, past tense by Christ,( done)
25 declare Christ righteousness, Not ours, his) and remission of sins( when were they remitted?) that are past, ( how) through the forbearance of God.
26, Declare "his" righteousness( why) that "he"( Jesus) might be "just" and the "justifier" of him( Me) that "believeth"( elizabethian " eth" means in past tense
27, Where is boasting then?( how are you compared to Jesus?) Boasting by the law of works? or by the law of Faith( Trust in what for salvation)
28, Therefore Paul we( apostles) conclude,( finalize) a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
So!! do we make void the law of commandments because we are saved?? Nay! rather we establish it. ( HOW) Through a changed nature given by the power of God. One that does not desire to sin. With that new nature and with the presents of the Holy Ghost to give us power we are complete in Him. I can't understand why people have to force themselves not to sin. Sin doesn't have power over you if you have really been changed spiritually. If someone who professes to be a christian wants to go out and get drunk and act like a sinner and are comfortable with that then mabe they need to get saved to begin with. I guess I thought faith is something that is past tense and to operate in it you have to confess a good confession of the fact that it is done, Just like Abraham of the Old Covenant.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

"If we confess our sins God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." I John 1:9

This was written to the Church.

The doctrine of confession and forgiveness is often confused with repentance.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

This was written to the Church.

The doctrine of confession and forgiveness is often confused with repentance.

How do you know there is a difference?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Repentance alone is as useless as baptism alone. Neither saves without the other. Jesus NOT OP's said 'water & the Spirit' Jn.3:5. What shall we do? The ONLY man with the keys gave the answer Acts 2:38. The door of Heaven was opened by those keys. LOCKED without the keys.
You don't have to obey Acts 2:38 you can always go to Hell.

If 1 John was written to sinners, it would sound more like the content of the preaching in the book of Acts, imo.