4given@Repentance If You're Still Goin 2 Hell?

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

How do you know there is a difference?

Simple.

Do a study on repentance, just from the Scripture alone.

You will find that it is far more than just simply confessing your sin.

Someone who has never been born again and doesn't even believe in God can confess their sins ubtil their tonsils fall out and nothing will happen.

John wrote that verse to saved people.

"If WE confess our sin..."

John wrote to "brethren" and "my little children."

In fact, repentace is something God grants.

Act 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
Act 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Repentance and forgiveness are two very different words.

Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

Repentance is a reversal, a change of mind, a turning away from sin and unto the Lord.

That is a far more profound and all-encompassing process, and one that God must empower, than simply a born again child of God confessing a sin and receiving forgiveness.

[Pressing-On]

Good post, CS.

Repentance is far more encompassing and more involved than forgiveness and I think that Acts 19:4 and Mark 1:15 explain that well. We must have a change of mind and believe on Christ Jesus and the Gospel.

"Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus." (Acts 19:4)

"And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. (Mark 1:15)

And finally, Mark 16:16 says that we will be saved if we believe and are baptized and if we don't start with belief, we will be damned.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Simple.

Do a study on repentance, just from the Scripture alone.

You will find that it is far more than just simply confessing your sin.

Someone who has never been born again and doesn't even believe in God can confess their sins ubtil their tonsils fall out and nothing will happen.

John wrote that verse to saved people.

"If WE confess our sin..."

John wrote to "brethren" and "my little children."

In fact, repentace is something God grants.

Act 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
Act 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Repentance and forgiveness are two very different words.

Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

Repentance is a reversal, a change of mind, a turning away from sin and unto the Lord.

That is a far more profound and all-encompassing process, and one that God must empower, than simply a born again child of God confessing a sin and receiving forgiveness.

Confession is included in John's baptism of repentance. I'm not even equating repentance with forgiveness. If someone who is saved confesses their sins without a change of heart (repentance) isn't that the same as a sinner who confesses their sins without being truly repentant?

I'll do a study on repentance but I still think you're wrong.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Who was the epistle of 1 John written to?

Obviously he's writing to Christians. That doesn't change the fact that he's stating clearly that when we confess our sins God forgives us and cleanses us from all unrighteousness.

The OP dance around the Epistles by stating that any reference to salvation or forgiveness in them can't be considered because it was written to people who fulfilled A238 is simply horrible hermenuetics. First, you can't prove that everyone the Epistles were written to fulfilled A238. Its all speculative. Heck, you can't prove that everyone in Acts fulfilled A238. Second, do you only talk A238 to unbelievers only? I have been to plenty of meetings where A238 was repeated over and over to people who believed it and practiced it. You would think that if A238 was the "formula" for salvation it would get a few mentions in the Epistles, but alas it is nowhere to be found. Its not mentioned ONCE.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Austin

...I really thought the spirit of the pharisees ended back in the time of Jesus but I guess some how they have figured out a way to travel through time and arrive in the 21st century....

As long as we are human we'll be pharisees from time to time.

[TGBTG]

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Acts 20:21
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

Luke 15
4What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
5And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
6And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.
7I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
8Either what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle, and sweep the house, and seek diligently till she find it?
9And when she hath found it, she calleth her friends and her neighbours together, saying, Rejoice with me; for I have found the piece which I had lost.
10Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

[deacon blues]

Yes, it was always curious to me that heaven would rejoice over a person still bound for hell.

[Scott Hutchinson]

When one truly repents,God forgives one of their sins. However after repentance we are to commanded to be baptized in Jesus Name and to receive the Holy Ghost.
However if a person has not been forgiven,they are not a candidate for baptism in Jesus Name,nor can a non forgiven person receive The Holy Ghost.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Repentance alone is as useless as baptism alone. Neither saves without the other. Jesus NOT OP's said 'water & the Spirit' Jn.3:5. What shall we do? The ONLY man with the keys gave the answer Acts 2:38. The door of Heaven was opened by those keys. LOCKED without the keys.
You don't have to obey Acts 2:38 you can always go to Hell.

Jesus did say, "water and Spirit" when he told Nicodemus that he had to be "born again." Nicodemus questioned this when he asked how he could enter his mother's womb and be "born again."

Nicodemus had already been born one time. Jesus said he had to be born another time. There are Two Births under discussion here. The first birth and the second birth. The water and the Spirit. There is nothing in John 3 that would lead us to think Jesus was discussing water baptism. Your "Water & Spirit" doctrine conflates the Two Births under discussion in John 3. It throws out the first birth that Nicodemus had raised and conflates the Two Births together, thus rendering the term "born again" meaningless. This was a teaching that G.T. Haywood said God had "revealed" to him over a period of time beginning in about 1915 - 1916.

[james34]

The water in John 3 denotes man born of a woman,the spirit is the Holy Ghost new birth.