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03-12-2011, 01:57 PM
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Re: DKB: 85% believed Acts 2:38 as New Birth at Me
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And whether it was 95% ... there is a gentleman's agreement not to contend to the disunity of the brethren over such things as the New Birth.
One has to wonder if this is a precursor to changing the AOF in 2012 ....
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1. Exactly!
2. about 2012... if thats true I will lobby for a name change!
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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03-12-2011, 01:59 PM
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Re: DKB: 85% believed Acts 2:38 as New Birth at Me
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You don't need a twitter account to view it ... there is no context ... you get 140 characters to make you tweet ... so each letter and space counts ...
See March 3rd ...
http://twitter.com/davidkbernard |
Sweet. Most of those are really good stuff, I think.
I like those cross preaching tweets!
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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03-12-2011, 06:11 PM
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Re: DKB: 85% believed Acts 2:38 as New Birth at Me
From what I remember of the Fudge book, there is no consensus among people what the percentages were back then of one-steppers and three-steppers. Who would really know enough about all those who participated in the merger to make a statement like that.
How many people were on the original Board?
How many were one-step and how many were three-step?
Can we even know sixty some years later?
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03-13-2011, 04:09 PM
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Re: DKB: 85% believed Acts 2:38 as New Birth at Me
Even IF this was true...so what? What's the point? Might makes right?
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03-13-2011, 10:42 PM
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Re: DKB: 85% believed Acts 2:38 as New Birth at Me
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Even IF this was true...so what? What's the point? Might makes right?
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Were the "15%" somehow insignificant? They seem to have been significant enough to call some shots in the Fundamental Doctrine and the AOF. Hmmmm...
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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03-13-2011, 11:20 PM
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Re: DKB: 85% believed Acts 2:38 as New Birth at Me
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Were the "15%" somehow insignificant? They seem to have been significant enough to call some shots in the Fundamental Doctrine and the AOF. Hmmmm...
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That's because the PCI (15%) had the money, and PAJC needed money. Or so I heard.
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03-13-2011, 11:28 PM
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Re: DKB: 85% believed Acts 2:38 as New Birth at Me
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That's because the PCI (15%) had the money, and PAJC needed money. Or so I heard.
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Where did you hear that?
How accurate do you think that is?
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03-13-2011, 11:30 PM
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Re: DKB: 85% believed Acts 2:38 as New Birth at Me
Well the PCI did have a headquarters building.
From what I understand, the articles of faith and the Manual for the new organization was pretty much copied from the PCI manual.
I remember reading somewhere the numbers of ministers and churches in the PCI and in the PAJC at the merger but I don't remember where I read that. Does anyone have those figures and the source of the information?
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03-13-2011, 11:38 PM
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Re: DKB: 85% believed Acts 2:38 as New Birth at Me
Now that money is no longer a primary consideration and the number may be less, it's justifiable to squeeze them out?
FWIW I believe one of the following scenarios are true:
Either the number of one steppers are at an all time high in the UPC
Or
The number of Light Doctrine adherents are huge.
Sometimes it's hard to get a straight answer - especially from ministers. No one wants to be called on the carpet or labeled "soft on the doctrine".
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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03-14-2011, 12:10 AM
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Ravaged by Grace
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Re: DKB: 85% believed Acts 2:38 as New Birth at Me
The tweet seems to be swimming in arrogance, domination, and power. I still can't figure any reasonable response besides, "So what?"
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