Loud and Clear: thatsabortion.com

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by jfrog

It's not the stat, it's the explanation of what that stat means. Stats don't lie... but people lie or are often mistaken about what stats mean. In fact, gathering stats is easy, interpreting what they mean is rather hard. For example: in the NFL winning teams have more rushing yards than losing ones. The most obvious interpretation of this stat is that accumulating rushing yards causes winning. However, another equally valid interpretation is that winning causes the accumulation of rushing yards.

So while more black women abort babies than white women this doesn't show that black women are targeted any more than white women are. However, that is one possibility. Another possibility is that black women respond more to the targeting being done to them than white women. But we can't really stop there because stopping there doesn't answer the question of why black women respond more to abortion than white women. Is there something inherently pro having abortion in black women or is there some social, economic or other stimulus that causes this trend?

Agreed completely. That is why I searched through the thread to see what she was offended by. Offended by assumptions maybe? Offended by people taking raw numbers without considering that there or other circumstances involved even.

But she said...

I am offended but the fact that you have turned abortion into this thing that black are receiving abortions at highter rates than any other races

According to the stats given. This is true.

As you have said... raw facts aren't the whole story. There is more to it than just numbers. That is why I was intrigued about what she might find offensive and, per her post, it appears to be the raw data that offends her.

I might be misconstruing her post as the "but" in her sentence seems to be a typo or lack of punctuation makes it unclear as to what is exactly being said. It's hard to tell.

But my initial reading of the post leads one to believe she is upset at the raw data and I find that a little amazing.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Agreed completely. That is why I searched through the thread to see what she was offended by. Offended by assumptions maybe? Offended by people taking raw numbers without considering that there or other circumstances involved even.

But she said...



According to the stats given. This is true.

As you have said... raw facts aren't the whole story. There is more to it than just numbers. That is why I was intrigued about what she might find offensive and, per her post, it appears to be the raw data that offends her.

I might be misconstruing her post as the "but" in her sentence seems to be a typo or lack of punctuation makes it unclear as to what is exactly being said. It's hard to tell.

But my initial reading of the post leads one to believe she is upset at the raw data and I find that a little amazing.

My initial reading was that she was upset that people were bringing those raw facts into this as if they proved something relating to the position of this thread.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by warrior

I am offended but the fact that you have turned abortion into this thing that black are receiving abortions at highter rates than any other races.

Well the truth should set you free, not offend you.

If the truth offends you, then you should check yourself.


The bottomline is that abortion kills more black babies than any other racial group in America today.

This means that more black mothers are choosing to kill their babies than any other race of mothers in America today.

Sad and maddening all at once!

The question is WHY are there so many black mothers choosing to kill their babies-- to which there are several factors.


One of the factors is the location of so many abortion clinics. The same phenomemnon is seen in northern cities in America where at one time there seemed to be a liquor store peddling high fructose poison and lottery tickets on every corner.

The key location of so many of these abortion clinics should be a source of offence!

Are the actions of the peddlers of abortion offensive to you, Warrior?

I think the higher incidence of abortion in the Black community today is a direct reflection of yesterday's targeted advertising.


There are other factors that must be addressed if black people want to move forward as a race in America-- as opposed to what we see today with so many Blacks making great progress and societal contributions and many others causing their entire community constant heartache and pain.

[Socialite]

Is a middle-class/rich person going to go to an abortion clinic or their Primary Care Provider for an abortion? Which do you think?

Also, clinics/services, etc are more common in cities, especially inner-cities. Suburbs attract middle-class families, while many poor people stay in the cities. Cities inevitably become poorer whenever suburbs expand around them because as people are less and less likely to live in the inner-city areas they move themselves, and their wealth and businesses, to the surrounding affluent suburbs. And the tax base begins to leave and the city becomes poorer and unable to repair much of its damages. Large cities provide easier transportation, closer hospitals, more opportunity for work, etc...

Fact is, the issue is much more complex. As far as liquor stores, check cashing outfits (should be illegal), excess of fast food restaurants, etc... that's laissez faire, baby.

Once again, the mere fact that blacks are over-represented (they are not the majority of abortions -- even by the stats in this thread, but my population representation, are clearly over-represented), does not mean there is an agenda (someone else on this forum's favorite word) to "target" them.

As is common to poorer people, drugs, unwanted pregnancies (due to lack of financial stability, etc), crime, etc are more problematic.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by jfrog

My initial reading was that she was upset that people were bringing those raw facts into this as if they proved something relating to the position of this thread.

That's not what I had gleaned from her posts when I read them.

That would certainly make more sense.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Well the truth should set you free, not offend you.

If the truth offends you, then you should check yourself.


The bottomline is that abortion kills more black babies than any other racial group in America today.

This means that more black mothers are choosing to kill their babies than any other race of mothers in America today.

Sad and maddening all at once!

The question is WHY are there so many black mothers choosing to kill their babies-- to which there are several factors.


One of the factors is the location of so many abortion clinics. The same phenomemnon is seen in northern cities in America where at one time there seemed to be a liquor store peddling high fructose poison and lottery tickets on every corner.

The key location of so many of these abortion clinics should be a source of offence!

Are the actions of the peddlers of abortion offensive to you, Warrior?

I think the higher incidence of abortion in the Black community today is a direct reflection of yesterday's targeted advertising.


There are other factors that must be addressed if black people want to move forward as a race in America-- as opposed to what we see today with so many Blacks making great progress and societal contributions and many others causing their entire community constant heartache and pain.

Bingo.

It's called strategic marketing. Any industry will focus on their target audience and promote their goods and services heavily within that market. It is smart, and wise use of advertising dollars. That the product is death changes nothing. A fool can recognize this.

If our government removed all the Planned Parenthood abortion clinics, and used the same $$ to place a crisis pregnancy center in their stead, abortions of black babies would drop radically.

[Hoovie]

Cain is right on target on this issue!

"Seventy-five percent of those facilities were built in the black community. In Margaret Sanger's own words, she didn't use the word 'genocide,' but she did talk about preventing the increasing number of poor blacks in this country by preventing black babies from being born," Cain told CBS' "Face the Nation."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...#ixzz1cJvgqblx

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...imed-at-black/

[commonsense]

Wow!
And all of this in America!

[canam]

Originally Posted by Socialite

That's a false statement, no matter the spin. Suggesting they strategically target black people is a little sensational IMO.

Unlearned opinion is more like it read the words of the starter of planned parenthood see what she had to say, dont take our word for it .listen to people like Herman Cain and his opinion of that org.

[canam]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Cain is right on target on this issue!

"Seventy-five percent of those facilities were built in the black community. In Margaret Sanger's own words, she didn't use the word 'genocide,' but she did talk about preventing the increasing number of poor blacks in this country by preventing black babies from being born," Cain told CBS' "Face the Nation."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...#ixzz1cJvgqblx

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...imed-at-black/

thanks hoov for the link ,and blacks continue to defend the dem party who has it in their platform.