We have to Be perfect in order to make heaven

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

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True Grace hurts the flesh, doesn't it? No glory for a two cents' worth of effort.

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We have to be IN CHRIST in order to go to Heaven. We can LEAVE CHRIST by unbelief or sinful activity. But Paul desired to present every man PERFECT/COMPLETE in Christ.

Colossians 1:28 KJV Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Colossians 2:6-10 KJV As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: (7) Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. (8) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. (9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. (10) And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

People and false doctrines will STEAL US OUT from being IN CHRIST. We must remains staunch in his work on the cross and not think we can add to that in order to put us over the edge of being sure we are saved.

We can not present ourselves perfect in our goods works of obedience. Any good works we do cannot add to what Christ did to save us. We just need to maintain our placement in Christ by our good works. So they will not nor cannot judge us in regards to what takes us into heaven. The works we are judged by at the white throne only ascertain our rewards NOT OUR SALVATION.

Nothing but the blood is taking us into glory! NOTHING but the blood.

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Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. 9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

You don't know if you willunto the end and you stand before God as we will give a account.

Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

We will be found good or bad stewards at judgment...

Luke 16:1 And he said also unto his disciples, There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods. 2 And he called him, and said unto him, How is it that I hear this of thee? give an account of thy stewardship; for thou mayest be no longer steward.

1Co 4:2 Moreover, it is required of stewards that they be found trustworthy.
1Co 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by any human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself.
1Co 4:4 For I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me.
1Co 4:5 Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.



(Rom. 2:6-7) “God will give(which is a appointed time of bestowing) to each person according to what he has done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”

(2 Cor. 5:10) “For we must all(Christians clearly included) appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.”

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by mfblume

True Grace hurts the flesh, doesn't it? No glory for a two cents' worth of effort.

not sure what you are talking about but false grace is found in reformed doctrine.

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As soon as we look to our obedience as what pays our way into glory, we have been stolen from being in Christ, if we were ever in Him due to standing on nothing but His shed blood for our salvation. Good works must be maintained, but never considered the ticket to glory. HIS CROSS ALONE pays my way into Heaven. Good works only keep me from losing that.

Let none consider their good works and judgment for rewards as what brought them into heaven. God will surely keep us out if we look to those works. That is not to say good works have no part in our salvation at all. But the part they have is NOT what made the difference to take us into glory.

[TGBTG]

Ok, let me just say I don't know about y'all, but I am 100% sure I'm gonna be in heaven!!!

2 Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

I have the righteousness of God.
I have the righteousness of God.
I have the righteousness of God.

Do you realize I have the righteousness of God?

No man is righteous enough for heaven, but wait, I have the righteousness of Him that rules heaven!!! Go figure!

Makes me wanna jump.
Rom 8
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

In God's eyes, I am ABSOLUTELY SINLESS (only because of what Jesus did for me). Now, tell me how can God, who is holy and just send me to hell when I am ABSOLUTELY SINLESS? I am ABSOLUTELY SINLESS.

Do I still sin? Yes!, but the blood of Jesus cleanses me from my sins. Should I remain sin and claim grace, absolutely not.

Rom 6
1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

I am dead to sin and alive to God!, wohoo!!!!

I have been born again!!! Born to die no more.. Glory!!!!!!!!!!!1

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by mfblume

As soon as we look to our obedience as what pays our way into glory, we have been stolen from being in Christ, if we were ever in Him due to standing on nothing but His shed blood for our salvation. Good works must be maintained, but never considered the ticket to glory. HIS CROSS ALONE pays my way into Heaven. Good works only keep me from losing that.

Let none consider their good works and judgment for rewards as what brought them into heaven. God will surely keep us out if we look to those works. That is not to say good works have no part in our salvation at all. But the part they have is NOT what made the difference to take us into glory.

Again as i have said before it is about SOURCE 1000 times it feels like. The source of our salvatin is the cross an his blood/death. In this we realize

1) the righteousness of Christ which is his justice to us for our sin which we receive by faith in baptism aswe are united with Christ.
2) We recieve his righteousness/leading by his Spirit which is his nature/word imparted to us in our life to live over sin which biblically is the only way sin is forgiven. Which is to walk in righteousness having turned away from the flesh and cares of life. Otherwise our sin does come back should we turn from his who cleanses us from our failures.
3) We recieve his just consideration of our walk at the judgment of either faithful or lawless. Many will know because they know they did not follow him and have expectancy of suh eternal damnation.
4) salvaton is monergistic in source and synergistic in reality unto receiving eternal life in which we are judged worthy or not and given "right" to eternal life.

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Did Paul say to be perfect in our good works or perfect "in Christ"?

Colossians 1:28 KJV Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Picture BEING IN CHRIST as inside a house. Israel entered the blood stained doorways in Egypt and that portrayed entrance INTO CHRIST. What better way to show the entrance INTO Christ, who was the lamb who died for our sins as us than by walking through a doorway splattered with lamb's blood? We are as much inside Christ as a Hebrew in the house with blood on the doorways. And what saved them from death? Their good works? Their good works played a part by not leaving that house. That was obedience. But when the death angel came by, what was it that caused the death angel to not be able to slay the firstborn> Those good works? No. THE BLOOD. The death angel noticed NOTHING about their obedience except the obedience of putting the blood on the doors and walking through those doors.

All we can do is do good deeds that keep us away from committing sins. We cannot perform good deeds that pay our ticket to glory. THE BLOOD ALONE paid our way to glory.

Titus 3:5-7 KJV Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (6) Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; (7) That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

1 Corinthians 6:20 KJV For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Obedience to God is only glorifying God in our spirits and bodies, but is NOT THE PRICE PAID TO GET US TO GLORY.

1 Peter 1:18-19 KJV Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; (19) But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

Ok, let me just say I don't know about y'all, but I am 100% sure I'm gonna be in heaven!!!

2 Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

I have the righteousness of God.
I have the righteousness of God.
I have the righteousness of God.

Do you realize I have the righteousness of God?

No man is righteous enough for heaven, but wait, I have the righteousness of Him that rules heaven!!! Go figure!

Makes me wanna jump.
Rom 8
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

In God's eyes, I am ABSOLUTELY SINLESS (only because of what Jesus did for me). Now, tell me how can God, who is holy and just send me to hell when I am ABSOLUTELY SINLESS? I am ABSOLUTELY SINLESS.

Do I still sin? Yes!, but the blood of Jesus cleanses me from my sins. Should I remain sin and claim grace, absolutely not.

Rom 6
1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

I am dead to sin and alive to God!, wohoo!!!!

I have been born again!!! Born to die no more.. Glory!!!!!!!!!!!1

You got it! NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD! Flesh wants to glory in obedient works, as though AT LEAST TWO CENTS' worth of OUR works gets us into heaven, as though Jesus did not pay the whole shot but for two cents.

The Jews made the grave error of going about to establish their own righteousness, instead of accepting the righteousness from God. This idea of righteousness being justice so misses the mark and is bait for legalism. Righteousness is right standing with God. And THAT WAS A GIFT! How is justice a free gift?

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Ok, let me just say I don't know about y'all, but I am 100% sure I'm gonna be in heaven!!!

2 Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

I have the righteousness of God.
I have the righteousness of God.
I have the righteousness of God.

Yes but you must endure to be considered "faithFUL" and considered righteous.

You have a righteous standing because you walk by faith to his leading which IS RIGHTEOUS.

The righteousness of God is the law upon the heart not a forensic imputation of position.

Do you realize I have the righteousness of God?

uhhhhh

No man is righteous enough for heaven, but wait, I have the righteousness of Him that rules heaven!!! Go figure!

yeah you do IF....!

Makes me wanna jump.
Rom 8
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

In God's eyes, I am ABSOLUTELY SINLESS (only because of what Jesus did for me).

Lutzer and Sproul would be so proud. Was the church of Ephesus sinless n his eyes in Revelation?

Now, tell me how can God, who is holy and just send me to hell when I am ABSOLUTELY SINLESS? I am ABSOLUTELY SINLESS.

uhhh because you are what you are. Faithful and a friend or lawless.

Do I still sin? Yes!, but the blood of Jesus cleanses me from my sins. Should I remain sin and claim grace, absolutely not.

The blood only cleanses if you walk as he walks which is a path of righteousness by the Spirit and do his commandments. 1 John 1:7

Rom 6
1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

I am dead to sin and alive to God!, wohoo!!!!

Yes if you follow the Spirit but not if you follow the flesh.