Imperialism is the Cause of Terrorism!

[Jay]

There is much in our history that we can regret. However, there are certain facts that also must be taken into account. 1) The native Americans were as vicious and brutal as any of the white men. 2) White men reproduced at a more prolific rate than those who were already here. 3) The genocide tended to be instituted by the government, or by individuals on the ground in the military (Custer and Chivington among others) 4) When they went to war, they made no distinction between young, old, man, or woman. Neither did some of our military leaders. 5) More than ethnicities were being fought over, but rather two very different ways of living and existing. Only one could survive.

This of course does not excuse the ones involved, but their sin lies on their own head.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Jay

This of course does not excuse the ones involved, but their sin lies on their own head.

Head? Is taking scalps worse than waterboarding?

[MrJob62]

The genocides in the OT were ordered by G-d. To my knowledge G-d has ordered none since. When Christ sent out his disciples he sent them out not with conquering armies but with one set of clothes and no money in there pockets. And the church grew. Christians were a lot nicer when they had to rely on the hospitality of strangers for their next meal and place to sleep. Christians concern for others created curiosity about their message and the one they followed. Today churches look like campuses and Christians have their own political parties that command armies. Christians seem to be more loyal to their countries than their brethren who are suffering from the predatory capitalism that is ravaging the world. America isn't the The Kingdom of G-d and no matter who we elect or which laws we tweak it still won't be.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by coadie

Head? Is taking scalps worse than waterboarding?

wasn't scalp taking the result of some white men paying the Native Americans for scalps of their enemies.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Imperialism? You mean like how Islam has spread through war all these years, taking countries and forcing language and religion on others and or forcing taxes on them?

Imperialism like how foreigners tried to take Afghanistan and turn it into an Islamic "paradise" where women are forced to wear carpets from head to toe, forced marriages, forbidden to be educated, beaten if they break any of the laws that were forced on them?

Or like how Islamists want to divide the Philippines to have their own nation and kidnap, murder and rape innocents to achieve that end?

Or how they invaded a Christian nation like Lebanon which welcomed them with open arms and who are converting it into an Islamic state?

Originally Posted by Praxeas

First of all those nations all allow us to be there and can at any time tell us to leave.

The reason many keep these bases is the economic boon it brings to them...how is that imperialsim

Why aren't the Japanese turning into Terrorists on us?

Why aren't the Koreans?

Filipinos?

Hawaiians?

Please tell us what natural resources we are stealing from Japan, Korea or the Philippines through our bases??

BUMP for MrJob

[sandie]

Originally Posted by MrJob62

The genocides in the OT were ordered by G-d. To my knowledge G-d has ordered none since. When Christ sent out his disciples he sent them out not with conquering armies but with one set of clothes and no money in there pockets. And the church grew. Christians were a lot nicer when they had to rely on the hospitality of strangers for their next meal and place to sleep. Christians concern for others created curiosity about their message and the one they followed. Today churches look like campuses and Christians have their own political parties that command armies. Christians seem to be more loyal to their countries than their brethren who are suffering from the predatory capitalism that is ravaging the world. America isn't the The Kingdom of G-d and no matter who we elect or which laws we tweak it still won't be.

You're projecting your own personal bias onto other people.

What is your point? And why do you ignore rebuttals and questions?
Does it make you feel superior to slam the country God has placed you in?
God won't bless what you curse and how is cursing this nation making you any better then the ones you degrade?
Hypocrite much?

[MrJob62]

I have typed to replies but when I send them it says that I am no longer logged in and I lose everything. so hear goes again

My point is if Christians are carrying the flag or the sword for the countries of this world how can we carry the Gospel?

My second point is more of a question. Should Christians buy products from companies or invest in companies that are doing business unethically and hurting people (many of them Christians) around the world?

As for the military bases on foreign soil; Would Americans allow another country to Build a base in our country? If it were to happen would we resent it? I think we know the answers.

Here is a website the has timelines of US interventions in the affairs of other countries. This is important because 85% percent of Americans claim to be Christian so our actions abroad influence peoples idea of Christianity.

http://www.historycommons.org/topic.jsp?topic=regions

The time lines that deal with Iraq and Iran and central America are particularly revealing.

[GISG]

America has her flaws, no doubt about it. But, this is still the best country God ever placed on this earth.
This country has freedom of worship, and if you don't think that means anything to God you are sadly mistaken as you seem to be on so many other issues.
From America, American Christians have blessed this entire world. American Christians are the first to give and the last to give up on others who hurt. American Christians have spred the gospel around this globe.

Mr.Job, you can pardon me or not, but you are the worst example of Christianity there is. Jesus said we would know them by their love one for another.
Read how the Holy Ghost spoke thru Paul to describe what love is and how and what we are to think upon.

I find your disdain for this country highly offensive. Surely there is another website you can find like minded jaded people. Especially since you don't directly answer rebuttals.

Praxeas has asked important questions that you ignore. You can keep trying to answer no matter your computer troubles, you can copy your replies as you go in case they disappear.

Either that, or you wouldn't break my heart if you found elsewhere to insult the country I happen to love. I appreciate that God placed me here where I had the wonderful opportunity to know Him.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Sam

This country that we call the U.S.A. is based on genocide and ethnic cleansing. White Anglo Saxon Protestants believing in Manifest Destiny believed that God gave us this land and we had to kill off the heathen savages and send them to hell so we could take it over. Our history is filled with slaughter, deceit, broken treaties, genocide, treachery, shame.

But our history has good in it as well.

Furthermore, I can't think of a more good-willed country than today's America (as defined by her words and actions.)

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Jay

There is much in our history that we can regret. However, there are certain facts that also must be taken into account. 1) The native Americans were as vicious and brutal as any of the white men. 2) White men reproduced at a more prolific rate than those who were already here. 3) The genocide tended to be instituted by the government, or by individuals on the ground in the military (Custer and Chivington among others) 4) When they went to war, they made no distinction between young, old, man, or woman. Neither did some of our military leaders. 5) More than ethnicities were being fought over, but rather two very different ways of living and existing. Only one could survive.

This of course does not excuse the ones involved, but their sin lies on their own head.

Being objective with history, I have to disagree with statement number 1.

The treachery and utter cruelty of the early settlers led to violent responses from the Native Americans.


As for statement number 5, ethnicities were not as much the cause or reason for the cruelty of the early settlers towards the Native Americans as much as it was greed and the sense of entitlement that accompanied the "Manifest Destiny" school of thought.