"Those who bless you will be blessed..." - Page 2

Apprehended · #11 05-20-2011, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Do you think that Israel can be blessed naturally with the promise in Gen 12 of whoever blesses them will be blessed, even though Paul said those under the law are under a curse? Could that mean Israel cannot even be blessed naturally while under Law since Christ came or only not blessed spiritually?

I am wondering if Paul meant they were blessed naturally before the cross, but upon rejection of Christ they lost even the natural blessings since they chose to retain law-keeping at a time when law-keeping ended at the cross.

Thanks!

From what I read in the Word which could be documented in many places, the promise to Abraham and his seed was both natural and spiritual. This is seen as God called Abraham's attention to both the stars of the heaven and the sands of the sea. One is spiritual seed as understood by the heavenly stars and the natural seed as understood being earthly sand of the sea.

There is blessing conferred upon Abraham's seed in both instances, one is spiritual or heavenly and the other is natural or earthly. It seems that the blessings upon natural Israel is perpetual since the words "unto all generations" is used in conjunction with both a command and blessings...the great distress and desolation of the Jewish nation notwithstanding.

It seems that both distress and blessings are in view and seemingly a paradox. But, consider what would have happened to the Jews by now had the blessings of Abraham in the natural sense had not been conferred upon them. No other blood line or nation of people has been able to exist through the generations as they have. Any other people would have long ago been lost into almost oblivion. Not only have the people been preserved and watched over, but so has their customs, laws, language, and religion. Now, their land has been restored since 1948. Nothing short of a miracle of the Phoenix can anything else be so compared. It must be the fulfillment of Ezekiel's vision of the valley of dry bones.

Apprehended · #12 05-20-2011, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GISG

Brother,
What a wonderful thing to read and to know. Thank you for sharing this!

Sister,

You are a wonderful encourager. Thank you.

Apprehended · #13 05-20-2011, 03:35 PM

btw,

it is my opinion that blessings promised to those that bless you and cursing to those that curse you is both natural and spiritual blessings. IMHO, of course.

To bless the natural people, the natural seed is to reap a blessings but since a spiritual people, all who are in Christ, the seed, is so infinitely greater, by blessing God's spiritual people, so will the infinite blessings accrue. The opposite is true in regard to cursing.

So, I will send you my address so that you can bless me with a liberal offering. I want you to be blessed.

Hahaha, just kidding.

GISG · #14 05-20-2011, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended

btw,

it is my opinion that blessings promised to those that bless you and cursing to those that curse you is both natural and spiritual blessings. IMHO, of course.

To bless the natural people, the natural seed is to reap a blessings but since a spiritual people, all who are in Christ, the seed, is so infinitely greater, by blessing God's spiritual people, so will the infinite blessings accrue. The opposite is true in regard to cursing.

So, I will send you my address so that you can bless me with a liberal offering. I want you to be blessed.

Hahaha, just kidding.

LOL!

But, don't think I wouldn't!

GISG · #15 05-20-2011, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended

From what I read in the Word which could be documented in many places, the promise to Abraham and his seed was both natural and spiritual. This is seen as God called Abraham's attention to both the stars of the heaven and the sands of the sea. One is spiritual seed as understood by the heavenly stars and the natural seed as understood being earthly sand of the sea.

There is blessing conferred upon Abraham's seed in both instances, one is spiritual or heavenly and the other is natural or earthly. It seems that the blessings upon natural Israel is perpetual since the words "unto all generations" is used in conjunction with both a command and blessings...the great distress and desolation of the Jewish nation notwithstanding.

It seems that both distress and blessings are in view and seemingly a paradox. But, consider what would have happened to the Jews by now had the blessings of Abraham in the natural sense had not been conferred upon them. No other blood line or nation of people has been able to exist through the generations as they have. Any other people would have long ago been lost into almost oblivion. Not only have the people been preserved and watched over, but so has their customs, laws, language, and religion. Now, their land has been restored since 1948. Nothing short of a miracle of the Phoenix can anything else be so compared. It must be the fulfillment of Ezekiel's vision of the valley of dry bones.

Thanks again for posting this answer. It clears up some things and cements others in my mind concerning Israel.

I have a natural affection for Israel and the Jewish people since it is part of my earthly heritage and am always most interested in God's view of these matters.

Apprehended · #16 05-20-2011, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GISG

LOL!

But, don't think I wouldn't!

Haha... LOL....

I know you would. But, I would much rather bless you.

RandyWayne · #17 05-20-2011, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended

From what I read in the Word which could be documented in many places, the promise to Abraham and his seed was both natural and spiritual. This is seen as God called Abraham's attention to both the stars of the heaven and the sands of the sea. One is spiritual seed as understood by the heavenly stars and the natural seed as understood being earthly sand of the sea.

There is blessing conferred upon Abraham's seed in both instances, one is spiritual or heavenly and the other is natural or earthly. It seems that the blessings upon natural Israel is perpetual since the words "unto all generations" is used in conjunction with both a command and blessings...the great distress and desolation of the Jewish nation notwithstanding.

It seems that both distress and blessings are in view and seemingly a paradox. But, consider what would have happened to the Jews by now had the blessings of Abraham in the natural sense had not been conferred upon them. No other blood line or nation of people has been able to exist through the generations as they have. Any other people would have long ago been lost into almost oblivion. Not only have the people been preserved and watched over, but so has their customs, laws, language, and religion. Now, their land has been restored since 1948. Nothing short of a miracle of the Phoenix can anything else be so compared. It must be the fulfillment of Ezekiel's vision of the valley of dry bones.

Excellent post and I agree completely.

Scott Hutchinson · #18 05-23-2011, 07:51 AM

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made.He saith not,And to seeds,as of many;but as of one,and to thy seed ,which is in Christ.GALATIANS 3:16
Doesn't this verse mean that the recipients of the Abrahamic covenant in the New Testament are those who belong to Christ ?

Are there two seeds of Abraham in The New Covenant ? Would not the body of Christ be considered as the children of Abraham under the new covenant ? If the types and shadows,under the old covenant are fulfilled in Christ ? Then would not the Church be considered as the heirs of the promises of Abraham ,under the New Covenant ?