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Old 03-17-2011, 10:15 AM
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Re: My Unrefined Treatment of Light Doctrine

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I don't think any NT book trumps any other NT book.
Each was written for a specific purpose at that time and can have applications for us today.
I agree, Sam. No NT book trumps another and were certainly not written to contradict each other either.
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Old 03-17-2011, 10:16 AM
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yeppers, that's why we don't want another translation/interpretation/version from an OP group which would display/promote their bias.

KJV was authorized by a pervert to promote the Anglican Church and combat previous translations like the Geneva Bible.
So if it was good enough for King James it should be good enough for us today.
I am not KJV-ONLY Also anyone can give a translation but just like any it should be critically reviewed on a scholarly level Oneness or not. My point is the mindset of the individual when just accepting anything a translation says just because you had some scholars do it. Scholars argue against each other all the time.

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Old 03-17-2011, 10:33 AM
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Re: My Unrefined Treatment of Light Doctrine

So are you still for or against the Light doctrine, I'm confused.

LS teaching on the light doctrine extends to all, not just pre-Pentecost in my opinion.
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Old 03-17-2011, 10:40 AM
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Re: My Unrefined Treatment of Light Doctrine

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All of this leads me to believe that error begets error.

Instead of reading from the Word, these men read into the Word.

Over time, their doctrine becomes more strange, exclusive, and damning.

[B]I recently read a blog in which a highly respected UPC minister placed Howard Goss in Hell. In various other blogs he has distanced himself from Topeka, Azusa and the early twentieth century Pentecostals.

It seems the "old paths" are being rejected for a new Apostolic Identity. ..."/B]
I agree and this is true.
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Re: My Unrefined Treatment of Light Doctrine

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So are you still for or against the Light doctrine, I'm confused.

LS teaching on the light doctrine extends to all, not just pre-Pentecost in my opinion.
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I attended a class that LS was teaching on this subject just 2 years ago. He put every soul where it should be in the hands of God to Judge according to their personal life Journey..

I was amazed..

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Old 06-07-2011, 10:10 AM
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Thinking of this today and realizing how insidious false doctrine is. It poisons generations of believers and is like a tumor with many tentacles that wraps itself around our brains. It's so difficult to expunge.
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Earlier today, I watched the videos of Lee Stoneking teaching Light Doctrine. I am very familiar with it because although my childhood pastor was a very strict water/Spirit preacher, he extended a measure of mercy and grace to Christian Apologists, pre-twentieth century, who were ignorant of Pentecostal theology.

He did so by teaching what he termed Progressive Light Doctrine. He believed that God restored the Apostolic Church bit by bit over the centuries culminating with the revelation of the New Issue in 1913. He taught that men like Luther, Calvin, Wesley, Edwards, Wycliffe and other Protestant reformers were saved because they "walked in the Light they had at the time."

Of course, he did not extend the same mercy and grace to his contemporaries in other Christian denominations, even though they believed exactly as did the Protestant reformers he so admired. Although his stance seemed inconsistent, he reasoned that the men of his day were without excuse because the fullness of truth had come, and all light had been revealed.

Of course, I am a product of my environment and had always believed as he taught until recently.

I changed my soteriology because of this passage.

Romans 3:19-28 NLT

[I]Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God. For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are.

But now God has shown us a way to be made right with him without keeping the requirements of the law, as was promised in the writings of Moses and the prophets long ago. We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.

For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. Yet God, with undeserved kindness, declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus.

Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on obeying the law. It is based on faith. So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.



I now believe that there was no need for progressive revelation because faith in Christ has been present in every generation, without fail, since the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The believing church has, in fact, had elements of Apostolic practice restored. But penitent sinners have been restored to right relationship with God through faith in Jesus, for two millenniums, in an unbroken chain of succession.
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Thinking of this today and realizing how insidious false doctrine is. It poisons generations of believers and is like a tumor with many tentacles that wraps itself around our brains. It's so difficult to expunge.
Care to expound upon the context of this thought?
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