IF God is Love... - Page 6

seekerman · #51 09-10-2011, 10:59 AM

Conflicting love \hate hyperbole's or just plain ole conflicting scripture?.......

Luk 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

Luk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

acerrak · #52 09-10-2011, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by seekerman

Conflicting love \hate hyperbole's or just plain ole conflicting scripture?.......

Luk 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

Luk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

ok here is the lexicon definitions
1.to detest
2.to love less
3.pursue with hatred

so if we go to the meaning i can insert in luke 6:27 do good to them that hate ( detest ) you

so comming from the definitions used by the lexicon the word miseo fits in this way

μισέω
to hate
μισέω
to detest (especially to persecute); by extension, to love lessDerivation: from a primary μῖσος (hatred);
KJV Usage: hate(-ful).
Thayer:1) to hate, pursue with hatred, detest
2) to be hated, detested
Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words•Hate, Hateful, Hater, Hatred

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μισέω
miseō
mis-eh'-o
From a primary word μῖσος misos (hatred); to detest (especially to persecute); by extension to love less

again it depends on the context being used

mfblume · #53 09-10-2011, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by seekerman

Conflicting love \hate hyperbole's or just plain ole conflicting scripture?.......

Luk 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

Luk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Some always give unbelief the benefit of the doubt. The thing to always remember is that maybe , just maybe, our initial perception of what may be contradiction is lacking certain understanding. And we may have to give the benefit of the doubt to thousands of years of faithful saints who trust the written word provided, and take a few more additional looks in case we missed something.

seekerman · #54 09-10-2011, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by acerrak

ok here is the lexicon definitions
1.to detest
2.to love less
3.pursue with hatred

so if we go to the meaning i can insert in luke 6:27 do good to them that hate ( detest ) you

so comming from the definitions used by the lexicon the word miseo fits in this way

μισέω
to hate
μισέω
to detest (especially to persecute); by extension, to love lessDerivation: from a primary μῖσος (hatred);
KJV Usage: hate(-ful).
Thayer:1) to hate, pursue with hatred, detest
2) to be hated, detested
Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words•Hate, Hateful, Hater, Hatred

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μισέω
miseō
mis-eh'-o
From a primary word μῖσος misos (hatred); to detest (especially to persecute); by extension to love less

again it depends on the context being used

I see there are three views in the "hate" camps concerning Jesus saying to hate your family. 1) It means what it says, hate means to hate, as God hated the deeds of the Nicoliatans. 2) It's explained away by hyperbole. 3) It's a wrong word to be used in today's world. It should be changed to "love less".

Anyway, I was attempting to get back to the God is Love topic of the thread. I was actually speaking of the actions toward your enemies. You love them and kill them or was this just hyperbole?

acerrak · #55 09-10-2011, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by seekerman

I see there are three views in the "hate" camps concerning Jesus saying to hate your family. 1) It means what it says, hate means to hate, as God hated the deeds of the Nicoliatans. 2) It's explained away by hyperbole. 3) It's a wrong word to be used in today's world. It should be changed to "love less".

Anyway, I was attempting to get back to the God is Love topic of the thread. I was actually speaking of the actions toward your enemies. You love them and kill them or was this just hyperbole?

not everyting is a hyperbole, your gonna have to grasp that, ok that is not somethign you can claim on every scripture.

also in translation meanings also change from one barrier to another

TJJJ · #56 09-10-2011, 11:34 AM

He hated Esau because he was a hunter.

I have heard that preached anyway!

seekerman · #57 09-10-2011, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TJJJ

He hated Esau because he was a hunter.

I have heard that preached anyway!

Could be. Did Jesus choose any HUNTERS to be His disciples? NO!! He choose FISHERMEN.

He didn't say you'd be HUNTERS of men, did HE?????

I rest my case.

acerrak · #58 09-10-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by seekerman

Could be. Did Jesus choose any HUNTERS to be His disciples? NO!! He choose FISHERMEN.

He didn't say you'd be HUNTERS of men, did HE?????

I rest my case.

wow cmon i had some respect for you but your acting childish

Arphaxad · #59 09-10-2011, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by seekerman

Could be. Did Jesus choose any HUNTERS to be His disciples? NO!! He choose FISHERMEN.

He didn't say you'd be HUNTERS of men, did HE?????

I rest my case.

He chose a tax collector also, and a zealot.

Praxeas · #60 09-10-2011, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

In fact, you must love your family so much less than you love God, you may have to forsake them. And if you do, you will be rewarded. Or is that hyperbole, too?

So, in general, when you have two contradicting scriptures, how do you, Prax, decide which one to call hyperbole?

Please quote the verse for me