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mfblume · #**101** 10-04-2011, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Do you feel like folks haven't received the Holy Spirit until they have the evidence of tongues?

Yes. Me, anyway. It's not just pentecostals that say this. Charismatics do, too. I know many!

Amanah · #**102** 10-04-2011, 10:42 AM

when I received the HG I spoke in tongues

I've seen countless people receive the HG and speak in tongues

It is what it is

Falla39 · #**103** 10-04-2011, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Wow! So you really believe the pentecostal stuff? I somehow thought you were charismatic. Why do you want people to speak in tongues so bad? Do you feel like folks haven't received the Holy Spirit until they have the evidence of tongues?

When you are born again, you WILL speak in tongues as the SPIRIT GIVES THE UTTERANCE!!

Deltaguitar,

In my many, many years, I have seen many, many people, both young and older, receive the HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT. Without exception, they all spoke with tongues. I have seen some who got a blessing and claimed to have received the Holy Ghost. They never seemed to thrieve/grow.They were like those that Paul spoke of in 2 Timothy 3:7 " Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the Truth".

When a person speaks in tongues AS THE SPIRIT gives the UTTERANCE, THAT IS PROOF to the unbeliever that the SPIRIT was PRESENT! HIS PRESENCE was there! We are only deceiving ourselves in believing otherwise!

When we allow the enemy (whoever it may be) to convince us otherwise, we could be like those who had not a love for the truth, that they might be saved, who could be given over to a mind that cannot "see" or rightly comprehend the kingdom of God. It is a fearful thing to fall into the Hands of the Living GOD!

Falla39

mfblume · #**104** 10-04-2011, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Falla39

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When you are born again, you WILL speak in tongues as the SPIRIT GIVES THE UTTERANCE!!

Deltaguitar,

In my many, many years, I have seen many, many people, both young and older, receive the HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT. Without exception, they all spoke with tongues. I have seen some who got a blessing and claimed to have received the Holy Ghost. They never seemed to thrieve/grow.They were like those that Paul spoke of in 2 Timothy 3:7 " Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the Truth".

When a person speaks in tongues AS THE SPIRIT gives the UTTERANCE, THAT IS PROOF to the unbeliever that the SPIRIT was PRESENT! HIS PRESENCE was there! We are only deceiving ourselves in believing otherwise!

When we allow the enemy (whoever it may be) to convince us otherwise, we could be like those who had not a love for the truth, that they might be saved, who could be given over to a mind that cannot "see" or rightly comprehend the kingdom of God. It is a fearful thing to fall into the Hands of the Living GOD!

Falla39

Amen. But the people who usually become dogmatic about not having to speak in tongues as initial evidence were people who were trying so hard in the flesh to receive the Spirit that it never came. So they think EVERYONE is wrong if they think tongues are the initial evidence of Spirit baptism. They do not stop to think they may have perhaps been trying to receive the Spirit in the flesh, and that never works, anyway.

Many doctrines are formed subjectively in many people with all their millions of nuances of variables as to why they did not experience what they thought they should, which leads them to believe what they currently believe. We cannot form doctrines from subjectivity like that -- the way of seeing what happens to us personally before we believe a thing. We have to go by what the bible said objectively. It is easier to blame a doctrine than themselves for failure.

Sherri · #**105** 10-04-2011, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Wow! So you really believe the pentecostal stuff? I somehow thought you were charismatic. Why do you want people to speak in tongues so bad? Do you feel like folks haven't received the Holy Spirit until they have the evidence of tongues?

I believe that anyone who is baptized in the Holy Spirit WILL speak in tongues.

Falla39 · #**106** 10-04-2011, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Amen. But the people who usually become dogmatic about not having to speak in tongues as initial evidence were people who were trying so hard in the flesh to receive the Spirit that it never came. So they think EVERYONE is wrong if they think tongues are the initial evidence of Spirit baptism. They do not stop to think they may have perhaps been trying to receive the Spirit in the flesh, and that never works, anyway.

Many doctrines are formed subjectively in many people with all their millions of nuances of variables as to why they did not experience what they thought they should, which leads them to believe what they currently believe. We cannot form doctrines from subjectivity like that -- the way of seeing what happens to us personally before we believe a thing. We have to go by what the bible said objectively. It is easier to blame a doctrine than themselves for failure.

Amen, Bro. Blume!
Those who receive the Word of God with a childlike faith seem to have
no trouble receiving it. No, they don't understand it all. But once received
the Holy Ghost will lead and guide into all truth. The Holy Ghost teaches.

John 14:26
But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

1Cor. 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Jesus told his disciples that they would receive POWER, AFTER that the Holy
Ghost was come upon them. Power to be His witnesses, wherever they went
in spite of persecution.

Falla39

Falla39 · #**107** 10-04-2011, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Sherri

I believe that anyone who is baptized in the Holy Spirit WILL speak in tongues.

Amen, sherri!

NorCal · #**108** 10-04-2011, 11:47 AM

Correct.

The writer of St. John stated in chapter 21:25 "Now there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written."

What would makes think that the Book of Acts contains every encounter of everyone receiving the Holy Ghost and talking in tongues.

DKB teaches the "Apostolic Authority", meaning that the book of Acts, specifically Chapter 1 and 2, is the reference by which we must assume (because of the detailed description) how one receives the Holy Ghost. "And they ALL began to speak in other tongues..."

You have a few choices at this point.
1.a) You have not been chosen by GOD to be saved. (Calvinism)
1.b) It is not your pointed time to be saved. (Calvinism)
2) You have not truly repented of your sins.
3) You have not truly submitted you life to the will of Christ.
4) You walk after the flesh, and not after the Spirit. (Being good and lawful, does not make one a follower of Christ.)

William Arnold III makes some good points in this article.
http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/tongues.htm

mfblume · #**109** 10-04-2011, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by NorCal

What would makes think that the Book of Acts contains every encounter of everyone receiving the Holy Ghost and talking in tongues.

DKB teaches the "Apostolic Authority", meaning that the book of Acts, specifically Chapter 1 and 2, is the reference by which we must assume (because of the detailed description) how one receives the Holy Ghost. "And they ALL began to speak in other tongues..."

Amen. Good doctrine.

NotforSale · #**110** 10-04-2011, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

You guys have me stirred up and I just cannot and will not keep quite about it!

There is only One True & Living God. There never has been more than One True & Living God. There never will be more than One True & Living God. God has never been three people, persons or deities. God is One.
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

The Calvinist and Baptist have always hated Pentecostals of any and every kind. I don't care what they say - they have a damnable heretical doctrine that sends millions to a devils hell. They do not preach Revelation - they preach The Five Points of Calvinism and the Baptists preach Unconditional Eternal Security and that my friend is HERESY as well as the Doctrine of the Trinity.
God in Three Persons was, is and always will be a LIE hatched in the pits of hell and taught by the Mother of Harlots - The Roman Catholic Church and her protestant children.
I can promise you I will talk to and write a letter to Bishop Jakes before this debate and plead with him NOT TO DEBATE these men in their ELEPHANT ROOM meeting.

NAU looked like a total idiot (I am not calling him one but he sure looked like it) on that Ankerburg show. I was totally embarrassed by it as well as many others were.
I hope to God Bishop Jakes cancels & I will urge him to cancel for the cause of Jesus Christ.
Those men will continue to believe their false doctrine and fight the Baptism of the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues until they die unless God HIMSELF reveals the Word to them!

This post is full of arrogance, pride, and damnable self-righteous attitude. You, AB, think you are so much more learned, better, and knowledgeable than everyone who disagrees with you.

Sending millions to a devils hell??????????? The Calvinist and Baptist have always hated Pentecostals of any and every kind??????

Your words are the exact reason people stay away from Christianity. You use ultimatums, yet in reality, you don't really know. When men lose their humility regarding the unseen realms of the afterlife, false doctrine begins the breeding process. The reason for this is simple; Fear. Fear will feast upon the mind stricken with imagination that cannot find the Facts.

What we will see when our eyes close in death, God only knows. And, every, and may I repeat EVERY, Faith that crosses the line of strict dogma concerning the hereafter, explaining something they have NEVER experienced, the door is wide open to manipulate the masses. This is Religion in its darkest form!

If I can't prove what will happen, I must be careful when exposing thoughts to others of what I might think...otherwise, my ideas will evolve into a lie, protecting a false concept that I refuse to let go of.