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Originally Posted by Falla39

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When you are born again, you WILL speak in tongues as the SPIRIT GIVES THE UTTERANCE!!

Deltaguitar,

In my many, many years, I have seen many, many people, both young and older, receive the HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT. Without exception, they all spoke with tongues. I have seen some who got a blessing and claimed to have received the Holy Ghost. They never seemed to thrieve/grow.They were like those that Paul spoke of in 2 Timothy 3:7 " Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the Truth".

When a person speaks in tongues AS THE SPIRIT gives the UTTERANCE, THAT IS PROOF to the unbeliever that the SPIRIT was PRESENT! HIS PRESENCE was there! We are only deceiving ourselves in believing otherwise!

When we allow the enemy (whoever it may be) to convince us otherwise, we could be like those who had not a love for the truth, that they might be saved, who could be given over to a mind that cannot "see" or rightly comprehend the kingdom of God. It is a fearful thing to fall into the Hands of the Living GOD!

Falla39

Amen. But the people who usually become dogmatic about not having to speak in tongues as initial evidence were people who were trying so hard in the flesh to receive the Spirit that it never came. So they think EVERYONE is wrong if they think tongues are the initial evidence of Spirit baptism. They do not stop to think they may have perhaps been trying to receive the Spirit in the flesh, and that never works, anyway.

Many doctrines are formed subjectively in many people with all their millions of nuances of variables as to why they did not experience what they thought they should, which leads them to believe what they currently believe. We cannot form doctrines from subjectivity like that -- the way of seeing what happens to us personally before we believe a thing. We have to go by what the bible said objectively. It is easier to blame a doctrine than themselves for failure.