Hospital Will Not Hire Those Who Use Tobacco

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I work with young to middle aged professionals in a large corporation.

So my acquaintances consist mainly of professionals and church people who overwhelmingly disdain smoking.

Most people I know don't want to associate with smokers, don't want to breathe second hand smoke, would not date a smoker, don't want to eat in a restaurant near a smoker, ect.

Society changed its opinion about smoking and now it's not socially acceptable. I hope the same happens with drinking, drugs, unhealthy eating and other behaviors that are destructive.

I believe John Stuart Mill proposed changing people's behaviors with societal disapproval versus legislation, but I would have to go back and do some reading to make sure.

Prohibition never worked.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I would support not hiring people with high cholesterol or obesity, if it could be linked to their eating habits, the same as I would support not hiring someone who smokes in their off time. Bad policy.

As a side issue, insurance should be able to charge what they wish. Or not even cover smokers and obese people.

Let me guess, you have no problems in these areas. What happens when the witchhunt targets you? Smokers might be the ones defending your liberty.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

The name of the game is "control over the people".

While I abhor smoking because what I've been through and what I've seen others go through, I truly do understand why people are bucking up against these regulations. I
I live in a region where whole cities banned smoking in all public buildings, restaurants, stores etc. Yes, they will fine private business for anybody smoking inside. There has been little resistance to the smoking ban.

On a more insidious note, many hospitals are forcing their staff to take vaccines. Some will not agree with me about vaccines, but I've done an in-depth study about them after I had a series of vaccines and developed an auto-immune illness. I can quit smoking, drinking (I don't drink) and all that, but I draw the line at forced immunizations. Do a study of what is actually in vaccines...not what they tell you, but what actually is in them.

Amen.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

That's the only thing that really works anyway. We can put legislation in order all we want to but nothing really changes until the mindset of the people actually changes.

Amen.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Let me guess, you have no problems in these areas. What happens when the witchhunt targets you? Smokers might be the ones defending your liberty.

Not sure I understand your point. I would defend a right to smoke and eat double cheeseburgers - as long as it's legal.

Are you making the case that health insurance or term life insurance rates should be the same for a three pack a day smoker or majorly obese person, as they are for a fit non smoking athlete?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Not sure I understand your point. I would defend a right to smoke and eat double cheeseburgers - as long as it's legal.

Are you making the case that health insurance or term life insurance rates should be the same for a three pack a day smoker or majorly obese person, as they are for a fit non smoking athlete?

Yes. The market decides the price for a product. Do we make junk food more expensive for fat people? I know, every time you shop, you have to get weighed. If you weigh more than the American Heart Association recommends, food is more expensive and you can only buy certain veggies. lol

Weight is also genetic, some are predisposed to being over weight.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yes. The market decides the price for a product. Do we make junk food more expensive for fat people? I know, every time you shop, you have to get weighed. If you weigh more than the American Heart Association recommends, food is more expensive and you can only buy certain veggies. lol

Weight is also genetic, some are predisposed to being over weight.

Good luck with that. It's never been that way and never will be. Car insurance is always cheaper if you don't have a list of accidents and DWIs.

Term life is up to ten times less is you are in good health.

The junk food analogy falls short... unless we acknowledge one demographic may eat more junk food...

In terms selling insurance consider warranties. A product warranty for residential use may be 20 yrs, but only 2 yrs if the item is used commercially. Why? Because of the nature of use and higher incidence of failure. It's predictable and measurable. Same is true in medical coverage.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yes. The market decides the price for a product. Do we make junk food more expensive for fat people? I know, every time you shop, you have to get weighed. If you weigh more than the American Heart Association recommends, food is more expensive and you can only buy certain veggies. lol

Weight is also genetic, some are predisposed to being over weight.

The market decides certain portions of insurance rates but the biggest factor is risk. People get higher rates because they are a higher risk. The same way car insurance is higher for a 16 year old boy then it is for a 42 year old woman.

Your point is nonsensical and, honestly, plain out scary.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

The market decides certain portions of insurance rates but the biggest factor is risk. People get higher rates because they are a higher risk. The same way car insurance is higher for a 16 year old boy then it is for a 42 year old woman.

Your point is nonsensical and, honestly, plain out scary.

Yep. The cost of a cheeseburger is determined by ingredients and market determination. But the "ingredients" in an insurance policy is inherently the level of risk being assumed.

[BrotherEastman]

I agree with digging and aquila; what kind of boloney is America gonna keep putting up with? This is the kind of stuff that causes revolutions. Just my 2 cents.

btw, I am a non smoker just in case you wonder.