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Old 03-27-2012, 04:33 PM
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The lead homicide investigator in the shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin recommended that neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, multiple sources told ABC News.

But Sanford, Fla., Investigator Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney's office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn't enough evidence to lead to a conviction, the sources told ABC News.
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Do you happen to know if Trayvon, besides the final gunshot wound, had any marks on his body from the scuffle? I am only understanding that Zimmerman had a broken nose, blood on the back of his head and grass stains on the back of his clothing.
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Do you happen to know if Trayvon, besides the final gunshot wound, had any marks on his body from the scuffle? I am only understanding that Zimmerman had a broken nose, blood on the back of his head and grass stains on the back of his clothing.
I think like in any good investigation they withhold some things. We don't know what kind of evidence the police actually have. I am sure if there was a scuffle or struggle, Trayvon had some injuries as well. They are not however saying that Zimmerman had defensive wounds.
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I think like in any good investigation they withhold some things. We don't know what kind of evidence the police actually have. I am sure if there was a scuffle or struggle, Trayvon had some injuries as well. They are not however saying that Zimmerman had defensive wounds.
Okay, so we are assuming he broke his own nose?
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Okay, so we are assuming he broke his own nose?
Yes and bashed his own head to to bloody the back.
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Okay, so we are assuming he broke his own nose?
My God. Nothing would be broken or dead at all if Zimmerman had not taken it upon himself to harass another American who was not bothering him. I just do not believe what I am reading here. I just don't understand your reasoning here at all. He says "they always get away" then "(expletive) he's running". This man pursued a kid for no reason and ended up killing him.
The amazing thing to me is that you find it absolutely impossible that the boy pursued in this scenario could have broken Zimmerman's nose in self-defense, but completely logical that the pursuer would take his life in self defense. (That's assuming his nose is broken, the fact that the boy is dead is unfortunately not debatable)

Since you're doing background checks, have you read the prior violent arrests that Zimmerman has?
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Forget race for just one moment. Forget Al Sharpton, the media, Obama, and all the other red herrings.
An armed 28 year old man pursued an unarmed 17 year old boy for no reason even after being told not to and to just meet the police that he called (for what reason, I do not know). He is obviously mad that "he is getting away" (with what, I do not know) and that he is running. He makes it plain that he will not be waiting by his truck as he was told and pursues and kills the boy some distance away. You're okay with him claiming self defense and walking away? Even if the 17 year-old was yours?
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Yes and bashed his own head to to bloody the back.
I listened to the 911 tapes again and there is no doubt in my mind that zim followed Trayvon Martin.

There's no doubt in my mind that Trayvon Martin gave zim a good fight, defending himself while in his FIGHT or FLIGHT mode that humans go into when they feel threatened.


Two things this case highlights for me include:

1) How far we have come in this country when it comes to matters of race. The PUBLIC outrage is not limited by color or culture and that's a very good thing and it is indicative of the brotherhood that most AMericans feel for each other;

2) How far we have to go when it comes to race, perceptions and prejudices. This isn't the America my Dad grew up in, and I am so proud of our progress and proud of my country and my fellow citizens. Most Americans are genuinely good human beings, but all of us, myself included have room for growth when it comes to prejudice and how we interact with each other.


This whole incident started due to prejudice, included senseless violence that could have been avoided, but has the potential to end with a general public's confidence renewed in a justice system that is often abused.

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Okay, so we are assuming he broke his own nose?
No, I am saying he followed a kid and confronted him. I don't think he expected the kid to put up a fight. I don't think however, that Trayvon went for Zimmerman's gun. I do think that Trayvon had him on the ground, he pulled his gun and shot him point blank.
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My God. Nothing would be broken or dead at all if Zimmerman had not taken it upon himself to harass another American who was not bothering him. I just do not believe what I am reading here. I just don't understand your reasoning here at all. He says "they always get away" then "(expletive) he's running". This man pursued a kid for no reason and ended up killing him.
The amazing thing to me is that you find it absolutely impossible that the boy pursued in this scenario could have broken Zimmerman's nose in self-defense, but completely logical that the pursuer would take his life in self defense. (That's assuming his nose is broken, the fact that the boy is dead is unfortunately not debatable)

Since you're doing background checks, have you read the prior violent arrests that Zimmerman has?
Tstew, I have not heard anyone denying that Zim followed Martin. That's not in question.

What you need to show is that he continued following after he conceded with dispatch. And then you will need to prove that Zim was not attacked while returning to his car, and beaten while Zimmerman called for help, as witnesses testified.
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No, I am saying he followed a kid and confronted him. I don't think he expected the kid to put up a fight. I don't think however, that Trayvon went for Zimmerman's gun. I do think that Trayvon had him on the ground, he pulled his gun and shot him point blank.
Why not? I think anyone would in that case. No matter who attacked first.
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