Gay Children

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Jay

Now why was I never informed that there was a bus, and that I could get on it? You were holding out on me! Now I am hurt and am going to go play with my pet rattlesnake.

Aww now Jay...just go and crash the party on the bus. It's a nutty bus!

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

deacon, your spiritual contributions are much more insightful and beneficial than your politics. kudos.

Lol

[bbyrd009]

There talking about the long bus Jay;
(v the short bus)
and AYR is just taking advantage of your, um,
special knowledge here.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

OOOoooo! A nutty bus! Just what I've been looking for.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

There talking about the long bus Jay;
(v the short bus)
and AYR is just taking advantage of your, um,
special knowledge here.

bbyrd,

I'm going to have to sleep on this one here for the significance of the diff between long bus vs short bus.

Jay, do you have special knowledge that you are not sharing here? That might get you disqualified for the bus.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Cindy

[bbyrd009]

Ok, yur totally making me give it away, but here

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

They're talking about the long bus Jay;
(v the short bus)
and AYR is just taking advantage of your, um,
"special" knowledge here.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I have a great passion for helping homosexuals. I feel the church, at least the ones I have been connected with, treated the issue with very little to no love. In 25 years of ministry I have had the opportunity to minister to 40 or so homosexuals, mostly males, to one degree or another. I don't sidestep the clear commands of Scripture concerning the sin, but I do have compassion and I believe Jesus can deliver the homosexual of the deep seated lies that consume the mind of the person struggling with same sex attractions.

In every case that I have dealt with, all 40 individuals did not have a normal, healthy relationship with their fathers. Either the father was physically absent from their lives, he was emotionally distant or he was physically or sexually abusive. I talked once about 20 years ago with Dr. Joseph Nicolosi in between sessions at a seminar and he confirmed my suspicions about the origins of homosexuality. He said in his practice that exclusively focused on the "reparative therapy" of male homosexuality that he never dealt with a single client that had a right relationship with their father. Its not the only contributor, but it's a huge factor.

Some homosexuals are adamant they have no desire to change. I have counseled with those and there is nothing you can do but release them to God and pray. Others I have counseled with could admit they struggled with same sex attractions but did not embrace a gay identity. Nicolosi calls these types of individuals as "non-gay homosexuals." One young man came to me years ago, a teenager, who admitted he had struggled with homosexual thoughts, that he had observed gay porn and he had a couple of homosexual encounters, one with another young man and one with a stranger in a park. He was mortified by his struggle. He was effeminate and had a dad who was clueless about emotional attachment and affection with his kids. He also had a strong mother who was definitely a matriarch type, more so out of necessity than desire, because of the apathy of the dad. This is also a reoccurring theme in a homosexual's homelife: a dominant mother, in many cases a smothering, overprotective, controlling figure that helps to encourage identifying with all things feminine rather than encouraging masculinity.

This young man communicated that he didn't want to be gay. He wanted to grow up, marry have kids and lead a normal life. We met for many weeks after school, praying, talking, doing Bible studies and being friends. That was 15 years ago and today he is happily married with children. When I see him I ask about how's doing and he knows what I mean and he'll communicate how he's doing in relationship to the temptations. I believe for him it will a lifetime challenge to overcome that sin, just like all of us who must deal with certain weaknesses that are against God's intended plan for our lives. The victory is that he came to me before he was too far into the lie and was able to focus on his desire to live for Jesus more than anything. He is living according to the truth and God continues to empower him to live victoriously.

As a side note, he called me one day to tell me he was getting engaged. He asked me if I thought he should share with her his past. I told him I thought was only fair tom tell her now than for her to learn about after marriage. He told her, she forgave him and said she loved him even more for his honesty. He is the best case of dealing with homosexuality that I personally know of, although there are thousands of "ex-gays" who are living proof that homosexuality can be overcome like any other sin.

Awesome post!

[Aquila]

I'm concerned with being too hard on a soft boy or a Tom-girl. Sometimes when we punish kids for things they begin to obsess over them. In the end it could cause a kid to question their identity and convince them that they are gay. For example, with potty training it appears that the bigger of an issue you make it... the more trouble many have with it.

Just a thought.

I always try to remember, Esau was a hunter. Jacob was a dweller in tents who cooked the pottage and venison with mom.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm concerned with being too hard on a soft boy or a Tom-girl. Sometimes when we punish kids for things they begin to obsess over them. In the end it could cause a kid to question their identity and convince them that they are gay. For example, with potty training it appears that the bigger of an issue you make it... the more trouble many have with it.

Just a thought.

I always try to remember, Esau was a hunter. Jacob was a dweller in tents who cooked the pottage and venison with mom.

I pretty much agree with this post. I would not consider cooking and housework homosexual behavior at all.

PS I hate camping when that means sleeping on a surface harder than a mattress.