Star as in earnings? Star as in entertaining? Drawing crowds? Kindly elaborate as to what defines a star.
This is such a bold-faced untruth that it is difficult to believe how it could have passed muster in open teaching.
To make up something of such magnitude is incredible. Is making things up for entertainment common?
Star as in: he's too popular within the organization to be called out on this. If he was caught in a lie, that would make the entire org look bad, then people would start to question "what other untruths have ministers been preaching".
Star as in: he's too popular within the organization to be called out on this. If he was caught in a lie, that would make the entire org look bad, then people would start to question "what other untruths have ministers been preaching".
You wouldn't want that in your organization.
It's a house of cards...
Alice hasn't held license in yrs. Doesn't need one. Too popular. Like the Perez Hilton of Pentecost.
What is worse -Calling out someone who went too far in making up "sermon stories" or covering up the lie? I would think that the cover-up is worse and truly reflects the spirit of the organization yes? Opinion only
Its not like most of the "sermon stories" popped out to stir up the congregations are true anyway. Maybe that's the root of the silence
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Star as in: he's too popular within the organization to be called out on this. If he was caught in a lie, that would make the entire org look bad, then people would start to question "what other untruths have ministers been preaching".
What is worse -Calling out someone who went too far in making up "sermon stories" or covering up the lie? I would think that the cover-up is worse and truly reflects the spirit of the organization yes? Opinion only
Its not like most of the "sermon stories" popped out to stir up the congregations are true anyway. Maybe that's the root of the silence
My theory? Everyone either knows or suspects that this and other stories like it are bogus, but they don't care. LS doesn't care. His fans don't care. The brass doesn't care. Making up or enhancing stories is a grand tradition, dating back many decades (some might say millennia! ), it serves its purpose well (so they think), and they see no need to change. It's not unique to the UPCI. The AG does it too, and probably lots of other denominations.
The story of The Emperor's New Clothes is not a perfect fit, for things like this. In that story, when the little boy said the emperor is naked, everyone else admitted not seeing the clothes, too, except for the emperor -- only he carried on with the pretending. But in real life, the "emperor" will have lots of followers that keep cheering him on, keep admiring his "clothes".
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Star ear tickler!!! Stirring up the natives, preaching what they want to hear and wish were true.
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Star ear tickler!!! Stirring up the natives, preaching what they want to hear and wish were true.
This is precisely true. A lot of people think of liberals when they talk about "ear tickling", but in reality a lot of conservative preaching appeals to flesh and only seeks to stroke egos.
I wish preachers would strive to keep it in the Bible. There's room for personal interpretation, but there should never be room for untruths, exaggerations and embellishments.
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To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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This is one of my favorite preacher stories. Not UPC, but enterning nevertheless. Actually saw the program this happened on. This is one reason that real miracle stories aren't believed.
Sid: I know I am stretching some of you right now I might as well stretch you all the way, you see in the Arctic area you need sunglasses because the glare could blind you, and so there was a woman out, was she fishing or?
Joshua: She was going out on the water to go fishing, and she had these sunglasses on to keep her direction and when she went out into the water God began blessing her with such a wonderful catch of fish she just continued to pull them in, she was pulling up this big fish Sid, and as she leaned over the boat the glasses fell off her head into the water.
Sid: So this was dangerous, she could loose her eyesight.
Joshua: It was a big situation for her, but instead of being worried, she just knew that she served a miracle working God and that He would take care of all the problems that she might have, and so she just continued fishing, just continued bringing in the wonderful catch of fish, she was ready to go back, she was pulling in the last catch of the day and as she was pulling in this big fish, she looked down on the fish, here he was wearing a pair of sunglasses on his face.
Sid: The fish was wearing sunglasses?
Joshua: The fish was wearing sunglasses.
Sid: I have never seen a fish with sunglasses, have you?
Joshua: The wonderful part about this testimony is that it wasn't the same pair of sunglasses that she lost, but it was a brand new pair, a better pair of sunglasses than the ones she lost.
And did the preacher imply that this story was actually true when he told it?
I've heard pastors tell all sorts of tales over the years but not once did I ever hear one tell about the tortoise and the hair and tell it like it really happened.
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), it serves its purpose well (so they think), and they see no need to change. It's not unique to the UPCI. The AG does it too, and probably lots of other denominations.
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