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Originally Posted by Chateau d'If
I think you are over-simplifying things.
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I think that the scriptures are, generally, simple. It's we that over complicate things with our carnal fixations on solutions. I brought out an article that was written some time ago entitled,
Hurt of the Heart. This portion is what specifically spoke to me as I see that it is true. I like it!
"I can examine what I think, but when I lean only on my understanding, I am trying to interpret the feelings I have. I don’t want to shut them down, but I don’t want them to override everything either. By examining with logic and feeling, will I learn what to do in my decisions I face? But I must in all things check to see if my mind is focused on God. If I keep that focus on Him, everything will fall into place. My heart will be guarded, my heart will be able to feel, and to allow it to trust as well. And I will have God’s guarantee that He will guide me in the decision I must make."
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If we follow your advice to its logical conclusion there would be no prosecutors. No punishment. No prisons.
In fact, your worldview is that rapists should simply be forgiven. Murderers too. Thieves. Child abusers.
Let's just forgive them and move on? Is that your premise?
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Is your premise that you are going to have everything set to rights in this life? My premise is that we cannot fix everything, therefore, we have to move on. I have never experienced rehashing things over and over to be any help to me. There have been instances when I have made my case and things were corrected. BUT, I found the majority of the time when dealing with someone who is already in a carnal position, it is futile to continue. I must save myself.
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Vengeance IS God's, but we should pray that He executes it as quickly as possible. Examples?
Revelation 6:10
"And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?"
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I don't have any problem with this passage. They went to God with their complaint. That is our first stop. What I have a problem with is your operative word "quickly". Just because they asked "how long" doesn't mean that God was going to act quickly. And it doesn't mean that just because they cried, "how long", they weren't just praying in frustration knowing they would submit to God's timing.
I remember one incident - I asked the Lord, in prayer, "Why are you letting these people get away with this?!!!!" He spoke to me, "I cannot execute my wrath speedily." And you know in that moment of prayer, you get your understanding. I understood that He was a God full of grace and mercy, which He showed toward my life. If I commanded that He act quickly in another person's life, would I be happy that He didn't give me room to make mistakes, grow and repent - no matter how long it might take to arrive at that point?
I know a preacher that committed adultery, tore up the church, lost his family and years later came back to that very church, fully repented and sat on a pew as a saint until he died a few years later. I had a dream about him, in the midst of his adultery, sitting in a rusted old Cadillac, crying that he wanted to come back to church. I knew he would some day and he did - 20 years later.. What did that dream teach me? That God knew his heart and I did not. A dream from God because, it came to pass.
II Corinthians 4:7-9 "But we have this treasure in in earthen vessels to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us. We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair, persecuted, but not abandoned; struck down, but not destroyed.
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Genesis 4:10
"The Lord said, “What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground."
There are some abuses that simply cannot be forgotten. They alter our lives forever. Not because we want them to, but because the injuries change our physical body, and the way we process things mentally.
It is the height of ignorance and lack of compassion to say "just get over it."
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It was never my intent to believe or say, "just get over it".
I know full well what hurt is and what it does to people. I know and have experienced great pain. And I do know that situations do alter our lives forever. They change us for the better and some for the worst. I believe each individual handles their issues the way they feel to do it or the way they can best do it. Not everyone agrees with the handling.
What I ultimately wanted, from viewing since FCF, is some progress, I think. And just to be frank, as I often am (lol), I wanted someone to show me that what they have and where they have arrived has made them better. I'm just not getting that impression many times - meaning that excludes a few people.. In the midst of the depressing accounts, I kinda wanted to hear something like a Paul and Silas story (lol) - I will praise You through the storm scenario. If I share something negative, I want to include what God showed me through the trial and/or situation.
You see, you have shared that you feel I am ignorant and lack compassion and I am sharing that I feel you are not giving me any victory. Perhaps it is simply that with the written word and a pointed thread, we are missing the deeper elements.
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