Is there anyone who is Apostolic anymore?

[johnny44]

Originally Posted by BroJoe

I understood the spirit in which he was talking.

There is a great shaking happening right now. Everything that can be shook, will be shook.

You think I'm gonna flop out because I don't agree with wearing no shorts and loose my salvation over a spirit of rebellion? While wearing shorts won't cost me my salvation, a spirit of rebellion will. And I believe with all my heart that GOD sent me to my Man of God and until I'm released I'm in utter obedience.

I'm hanging on tight and I'll let my Pastor and leaders give an account to God for any non-biblical issues...

Wasn't Jim Jones a pastor?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

OK... so in my perfect world it is a white clapboard buliding with a big wide center isle and old fashioned short pews set on an angle on both sides so you can see more of a person then the backs of their heads. Many elders speak and preach in turn, others are free to ask questions which are respectfully and thoughtfully answered. Children sleep peacefully beneath the pews or listen quitely. There is a picnic on the grass afterward where families visit and share friendship. Only monies needed for maintainence and the needy is collected and is given freely. Those who have surplus of anything contribute it and it is welcomed and used for those with a need. Young people are grown up and sent to spread the gospel, elder people, the disabled and the poor are tenderly cared for. Disagreements are never worth grudge and are settled quickly and peacefully.

I am sure by now many of you are dying laughing... but it could happen.

Not laughing at all. Throw in there that we live off the land with no need for public jobs and its a dream come true.

Originally Posted by acerrak

sounds like the mellinium reign

yep, with the exception of the needy, desabled and poor.

[johnny44]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Like he said its a " house rules "... Jesus would respect them. I don't know why everyone has such a problem with this. I work for a large heating and air conditioning company that pays pretty good and one of the rules is to be clean shaven and and so far nobody that I know of has walked from the job for this rule so if a pastor asked for it not to be on his platform and everyone wants to condem him for his stand..... I don't know one true conservative that will say having a beard is a sin...

The problem is the company/church does not be long to the pastor.They criticized Jesus for not following house rules .He didn't wash his hands.

[shag]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipwEt...e_gdata_player

[Amanah]

Jesus, friend of sinners, is a beautiful, heart stirring song

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Jesus, friend of sinners, is a beautiful, heart stirring song

And convicting... very convicting...

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Actually, we just began attending a church, and it is very similar to the scene you are describing T2W. The pastor is a teacher, and while he begins the teaching, the congregation are allowed to share their thoughts freely, and he welcomes any discussion. There is no tithe and offering, but a box in the back. The church operates a food bank, and a clothing area for homeless people, abused people, those who have lost things in fires, or just down on their luck. Last week a girl spoke at the church who is headed to Turkey with Campus Crusades to minister to the Muslims, and many of the church people are supporting her. A visitor to the church fell and broke her knee after only attending two services. All members of the congregation came by with more than enough food so that they can hardly close their refrigerator, and offered assistance in any way. And, regarding your desire for a "picnic on the grounds", every Sunday after service, everyone brings food and the entire church fellowships in the basement after service.

I don't believe that we'll ever find a utopic church building or church group here on earth, but I am thinking this one is coming pretty close to what James describes as pure religion...

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

So very happy for you! I pray that each of us is blessed in our fellowship.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

So very happy for you! I pray that each of us is blessed in our fellowship.

Yes indeed. I pray for all AFF members who are searching, and haven't found, a place to at least fellowship other spirit filled believers. We have been without a place for quite a while, and it feels good to be a part of a group of people who believe and actively live out James 1:27.

If he has done it for us, I believe with great faith that He will do it for others!

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by shag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipwEt...e_gdata_player

Shag, thank you for sharing this song. I never heard it before, and it really ministered to my heart today.

[BroJoe]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Bro Joe - what would you do if one day your Pastor came to church and announced that he was no longer going to be responsible for setting and policing policy about standards?

I'd hardly call what he does now policing, lol.

What if within 5 years the atmosphere of the Church changes, women are wearing bobs and pants, men have beards, and wear shorts.

You mean what if they started looking more and more like the world? God forbid.

Not only that but the Pastor now believes that salvation is at repentance, and while he still baptizes in Jesus name and believes and talks about people receiving the HG and speaking in tongues, he doesn't preach three steps to salvation any more.

We all believe (in my church) that repentance is necessary for salvation, so we don't care if you wanna say repentance is the beginning of salvation or a piece of salvation.

Now what? Do you follow your Pastor in obedience now, do you become confused?

I'd prayerfully consider what the Lord would want me to do.

If my Church were to do these things that you have listed (besides the repentance bit) I'd be put in a rock and a hard spot. I'd eventually would have to leave to another church that aligned itself with what was Scriptural.

do you proclaim him on his way to hell and find another church? what would you do?

Absolutely not. Does he still believe in Acts 2:38? Does he still believe in 1 God? Does he still believe holiness is what it's gonna take to get to Heaven? If he doesn't agree on any of these, he is backslidden.