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Old 08-14-2012, 11:06 AM
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Good question. (I think I asked it early in the thread.) But, how could you tell?
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:42 AM
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Why didn't I think of that?
It's the biblical way!!!
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I Have been asked by members of HEART OF PRAISE EVERLASTING to set the record straight once and for all. First of all, the amazing group that left, has been through the fire, but has finally come out. They were hurt by the people they called friends, but not one of them has a bad word to say about any of them. They have left GR and have started a new family. They were not lead by any one person, it was a group decision, and one that was made after many sleepless nights spent in prayer and fasting. They want you all to know they have no hard feelings toward anyone, but at the same time, they no longer have a concern about anything pertaining to GR. Not the building, the pastor, or any properties that may be attached to GR. The man that has been under such scrutiny, the man they are bashing for "splitting the church" RH has never one time said or led anyone to believe he wanted to become pastor. His response and attitude this entire time has always been, whatever the people want and whatever the will of God is. They have had visiting preachers every Sunday and the power of God has been amazing. One prayed back through, one filled with the Holy Ghost, and praying and singing that is under the powerful anointing. They have a new location, a new name and God is blessing their integrity to worship together as a body. This has brought them to their knees, which has sweetened their relationship with their God and with their fellow worshipers. Thanks to everyone that has been praying for this group of people, they have made it through. They do NOT feel like the victims, they feel like they are in the perfect will of GOD!!!!!!!
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Thanks for this report. I am glad that the group who left are not allowing any attachments to buildings, location, or other earthly things come between them and continuing to worship and serve God.
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Old 08-14-2012, 01:17 PM
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I Have been asked by members of HEART OF PRAISE EVERLASTING to set the record straight once and for all. First of all, the amazing group that left, has been through the fire, but has finally come out. They were hurt by the people they called friends, but not one of them has a bad word to say about any of them. They have left GR and have started a new family. They were not lead by any one person, it was a group decision, and one that was made after many sleepless nights spent in prayer and fasting. They want you all to know they have no hard feelings toward anyone, but at the same time, they no longer have a concern about anything pertaining to GR. Not the building, the pastor, or any properties that may be attached to GR. The man that has been under such scrutiny, the man they are bashing for "splitting the church" RH has never one time said or led anyone to believe he wanted to become pastor. His response and attitude this entire time has always been, whatever the people want and whatever the will of God is. They have had visiting preachers every Sunday and the power of God has been amazing. One prayed back through, one filled with the Holy Ghost, and praying and singing that is under the powerful anointing. They have a new location, a new name and God is blessing their integrity to worship together as a body. This has brought them to their knees, which has sweetened their relationship with their God and with their fellow worshipers. Thanks to everyone that has been praying for this group of people, they have made it through. They do NOT feel like the victims, they feel like they are in the perfect will of GOD!!!!!!!
I am totally amazed at this since several of the people from HOPE have called me today asking if it is to late to get GR back. The visiting preacher this Sunday did not preach, RH did. Glad that things are doing so well though. But, next time you speak for everyone please make sure you are.
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I am totally amazed at this since several of the people from HOPE have called me today asking if it is to late to get GR back. The visiting preacher this Sunday did not preach, RH did. Glad that things are doing so well though. But, next time you speak for everyone please make sure you are.
With all respect, Betty, If you will read my comment, I did not say I was speaking for ALL members. I said I was speaking for Members of H.O.P.E I could not speak for all members since I do not know the heart of others, Only the ones that have asked me to speak on their behalf. Yes, R.H. did preach Sunday, but there was a visiting preacher there, as has been every Sunday service. Honestly, no one is trying to "one up" anyone. These people love the members of G.R. they have worshiped together for years. They have watched their children grow up together, they have built buildings together, and have buried loved ones. I am only letting anyone interested in knowing, that this body of worshipers has moved on. No hard feelings, no resentment, no looking back. They left all baggage at the door, and the power of God is honoring their strength to do so. I also am not afraid to tell you who I am, I am Pam Hook, formerly known as Pam Adams. I am the very proud daughter of Bobby and Nancy Adams, and I speak for them. I have not heard my parents utter one bad word against anyone of you, not once. They have spent hours in prayer and looking to God for the right thing to do. I have seen the joy on their faces that has been missing for some time. The reason we are here is to worship God and Glorify Him FOREVER!!!!!! Speaking ill against the people we call our "friends" brings Him no Glory. Their message is simply this. We are happy, we are a new church and we have a new beginning. We love G.R and always will. We love the people, and always will. It was just time for change for us....It's time to let it go, and be a loyal member to whichever church you decide. Love these people instead of playing both sides... As for my parents, they have made their choice and they are being blessed as a result. Get in the Word and on your knees, and God will also direct you to make the right choice. He never fails you, never.
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PossiblyHeavenBound and YourKidsMom,

Hopefully now that the dust has settled and the group staying got their daughter / boyfriend Pastor and the group leaving has moved on without bitter feelings of having to leave the church they invested so much time, energy, and emotion in, people can act like adults and not only adults but Christain adults and forgive and love each other.

I have a feeling about now would be a good time for some good sermons on the fruit of the Spirit at both churches after such an emotional roller coaster.

One thing is certain and that is that Gods justice may not be immediate but it is ultimate. If I were guilty of manipulating a church for financial gain or any other reason I would be in fear for the consequences. Thankfully those consequences will be meted out by God. It is our jobs as humans to forgive and move on.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.

"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

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With all respect, Betty, If you will read my comment, I did not say I was speaking for ALL members. I said I was speaking for Members of H.O.P.E I could not speak for all members since I do not know the heart of others, Only the ones that have asked me to speak on their behalf. Yes, R.H. did preach Sunday, but there was a visiting preacher there, as has been every Sunday service. Honestly, no one is trying to "one up" anyone. These people love the members of G.R. they have worshiped together for years. They have watched their children grow up together, they have built buildings together, and have buried loved ones. I am only letting anyone interested in knowing, that this body of worshipers has moved on. No hard feelings, no resentment, no looking back. They left all baggage at the door, and the power of God is honoring their strength to do so. I also am not afraid to tell you who I am, I am Pam Hook, formerly known as Pam Adams. I am the very proud daughter of Bobby and Nancy Adams, and I speak for them. I have not heard my parents utter one bad word against anyone of you, not once. They have spent hours in prayer and looking to God for the right thing to do. I have seen the joy on their faces that has been missing for some time. The reason we are here is to worship God and Glorify Him FOREVER!!!!!! Speaking ill against the people we call our "friends" brings Him no Glory. Their message is simply this. We are happy, we are a new church and we have a new beginning. We love G.R and always will. We love the people, and always will. It was just time for change for us....It's time to let it go, and be a loyal member to whichever church you decide. Love these people instead of playing both sides... As for my parents, they have made their choice and they are being blessed as a result. Get in the Word and on your knees, and God will also direct you to make the right choice. He never fails you, never.
Excuse me but you weren't a member of Grey Road Church. Your parents were and they chose to leave and there was nothing wrong with their choice, as there is nothing wrong with my choice to stay and wait for God to move on this situation, also the whole congregation which I am one of them did not leave. Just because I stayed does not mean I approve of the situation, means I am where I think God wants me to be. But, you did make it sound as if you were speaking for the whole congregation and I just pointed out you weren't. Sorry if I was wrong. You don't know me or you wouldn't tell me to quit playing both sides, there is only one side and that is what is Right. I do love these people that is why this injustice to the cream of the crop hurts me so. I have not spoken "ill" of people, I have told of some wrongs that were done to some saints. Some people have thanked me for this and then there are the ones like you. Have a Blessed day and yes stay in the Word and on your knees and you will always be directed to the right choice.
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