Be Libertarian with me:

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

I've been a registered Libertarian for years. I left after the last election.

I personally find the LP disfunctional and disorganized. I'm tired of candidates with relatively good ideas in some aspects that won't keep their mouths shut about conspiracy theories that make them unelectable.

I'm good with Ending the Federal Reserve.
I'm good with pulling out of Afghanistan (I'm not a non-interventionalist by the way I just don't believe in "nation building" in countries that have no interest in building a free society).
I absolutely will not go for legalized prostitution.
I'm okay with ending the War on Drugs because it has failed.

I am 100% against Gay Marriage.
I am 100% against abortion with health issues being the only exception.
I'm against the free sex and violence in the media lobby.

I'm a constitutionalist. I believe what we have works. Small government with a morally in tact society working together with a strong presence on the World's stage.

Conspiracy theories are always looked at like they are wacky. But... do we really think we got to this place by accident???

Any born again believer is a conspiracy theorist. We face a real and present spiritual enemy that is at war for the soul of humanity. And yes... he does enfluence nations.

The conspiracy is the effort to get our eyes off of the very real and present truth that there are powers behind the scenes with an agenda. Sometimes they advance their agenda... sometimes they have set backs. But it is real.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

I've been a registered Libertarian for years. I left after the last election.

I personally find the LP disfunctional and disorganized. I'm tired of candidates with relatively good ideas in some aspects that won't keep their mouths shut about conspiracy theories that make them unelectable.

I'm good with Ending the Federal Reserve.
I'm good with pulling out of Afghanistan (I'm not a non-interventionalist by the way I just don't believe in "nation building" in countries that have no interest in building a free society).
I absolutely will not go for legalized prostitution.
I'm okay with ending the War on Drugs because it has failed.

I am 100% against Gay Marriage.
I am 100% against abortion with health issues being the only exception.
I'm against the free sex and violence in the media lobby.

I'm a constitutionalist. I believe what we have works. Small government with a morally in tact society working together with a strong presence on the World's stage.

Great points.
I can go along with all of them except the Federal Reserve.
Still undecided on that issue.
And I have done extensive research.

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Conspiracy theories are always looked at like they are wacky. But... do we really think we got to this place by accident???

Any born again believer is a conspiracy theorist. We face a real and present spiritual enemy that is at war for the soul of humanity. And yes... he does enfluence nations.

The conspiracy is the effort to get our eyes off of the very real and present truth that there are powers behind the scenes with an agenda. Sometimes they advance their agenda... sometimes they have set backs. But it is real.

Look I'm not saying some of the theories don't have merit. I'm saying you can't get elected to federal office suggesting that 9/11 was an inside job, that statement alone makes you completely unelectable, and if a good portion of your party is completely unelectable your party is worthless and can't effect real change.

It is far more efficient to use the current party system we have to effect actual change on the national stage then break up into small unorganized splinter groups that do little to effect even the smallest of local elections.

[Pressing-On]

Aquila - Interesting article. Gary Johnson lines out the basic tenets of his policies. I noted that he is for "regulating" marijuana like alcohol. So, it's not a free-for all like many think.

Presidential candidate Gary Johnson brings Libertarian view to Collier, Lee

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2012/...n-libertarian/

I knew that he had a good record as Governor, so I want to add this to your thread. He is also on the ballot in 50 states.

Why Rochestarians Should Vote For Gary Johnson

Gary Johnson has an impeccable record as Governor of New Mexico. He left office with a balanced budget only three other Governors at the time could say that. Along with a balanced budget there was a surplus. He knows how to say no, New Mexico has line item veto which Gary used thousands of times, he also vetoed over 750 bills in his time in office. He cut taxes fourteen times while governor raising them zero times.

http://www.examiner.com/article/why-...r-gary-johnson

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

Look I'm not saying some of the theories don't have merit. I'm saying you can't get elected to federal office suggesting that 9/11 was an inside job, that statement alone makes you completely unelectable, and if a good portion of your party is completely unelectable your party is worthless and can't effect real change.

It is far more efficient to use the current party system we have to effect actual change on the national stage then break up into small unorganized splinter groups that do little to effect even the smallest of local elections.

This has failed time and time again. If you vote for a Republican that is essentially like Obama (big government), the Republicans will think that's what Americans want. Then the next Republican will be big government, and the next, and the next. By taking your vote, a vote that would be Republican, to a third party... a constitutional third party... you place the Republican candidate in danger of loosing. This danger forces the candidate to take more conservative positions to try to win back those polling as moving to the third party. If the Republican looses because a sizeable number of conservatives voted third party.... the Republican Party will not want to loose again... they will field a more conservative candidate.

If you vote for more of the same... you'll get more of the same.

For example... Nader had Gore leaning further left.

Then there are principles. Principles of liberty. Both parties are a threat to our liberty. Why vote for them?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Aquila - Interesting article. Gary Johnson lines out the basic tenets of his policies. I noted that he is for "regulating" marijuana like alcohol. So, it's not a free-for all like many think.


I knew that he had a good record as Governor, so I want to add this to your thread. He is also on the ballot in 50 states.

He has my vote.

And frankly... the more I study libertarianism... the more it resonates with me. Libertarianism essentially upholds the fundamental principle of liberty and justice for all.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

This has failed time and time again. If you vote for a Republican that is essentially like Obama (big government), the Republicans will think that's what Americans want.

The Dead Elephant doesn't care what Americans 'want', neither does the Democrud party.

They only want to know what to say to get people to send them money and play this fantasy football game called 'American politics'.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Aquila

He has my vote.

And frankly... the more I study libertarianism... the more it resonates with me. Libertarianism essentially upholds the fundamental principle of liberty and justice for all.

Aquila,
I've been studying him. When he isn't a little goofy acting and serious, he knows his stuff (sort of like Rick Perry) and has a good record.

The social tolerance is a little more regulated than first perceived, i.e., can't drive while smoking. Seriously, the same as alcohol. Still there are merits to the "gateway drug" argument.

One major liability is that he is not married, even though engaged.

As far as his Conservative governing record - he beats ORomney and Obama hands down. No one can deny that. He has an excellent record as a Governor.

[Aquila]

Don't like Obama?

Don't like Romney?

Be Libertarian with me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X3QRSIXgns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvRfGrexFfA

[crakjak]

Third parties, ALWAYS, cause the opposite effect in elections than they claim to desire. The net result of third parties history is: They help to elect the worse candidates to high office and the country is damaged. They ruin the careers of these candidates themselves!!!
Start with Teddy Roosevelt, completely ruined his credibility, and elected his arch enemy to office. Then more recently we have Pat Buchanan and Ross Perot, and Ralph Nader, who all help elect leftist presidents, senators and Representatives, that have damaged the country. The ever heard of Howard Phillips??? Bright political up and comer, third party run destroyed his career.
Third party, seems like a good thing on principle, but in reality it has NEVER proved to accomplish the goals of those principles.
Much better to work in the grassroots leadership in primaries where is in not so difficult to get good desirable candidates, the Tea Party should not be weary in well doing and continue, it is a marathon, not a dash!!!!